Centerless Groups: Examples & Constraints

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Centerless groups are defined as having a trivial center, meaning their center consists only of the identity element, Z=I, and does not include -I. The discussion highlights that while matrix groups like SU(2) have a center that includes both I and -I, other groups can exist without this property. An example provided is the symmetry group D_3, which has a trivial center. The conversation also emphasizes that the composition rule of multiplication does not inherently guarantee commutativity with -I if -I is not part of the group. Overall, the exploration of centerless groups reveals the need to relax certain constraints found in matrix groups to identify other examples.
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I imagine a matrix group, with multiplication as the composition rule, to always possesses the quality of having centre (I,-I), as I can't see when both elements wouldn't commute with all others. On the other hand, though, a centerless group is defined as having trivial centre, i.e. Z=I (which means, Z doesn't include -I).

I imagine non-matrix groups could show this property, but I can't think of any.

Could somebody give a couple of examples of centreless groups, and what "constraints" must be relaxed (from my matrix group example above) in order to achieve them?
 
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gentsagree said:
I imagine a matrix group, with multiplication as the composition rule, to always possesses the quality of having centre (I,-I),

A matrix group must contain the identity I, but need not contain -I.

as I can't see when both elements wouldn't commute with all others. On the other hand, though, a centerless group is defined as having trivial centre, i.e. Z=I (which means, Z doesn't include -I).

I imagine non-matrix groups could show this property, but I can't think of any.

Could somebody give a couple of examples of centreless groups, and what "constraints" must be relaxed (from my matrix group example above) in order to achieve them?

The group D_3, which is the symmetry group of an equilateral triangle, has trivial center. The group has a 2-dimensional representation generated by a reflection in the x-axis
<br /> M_m = \begin{pmatrix} -1 &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix}<br />
and a rotation through 2\pi/3 about the origin,
<br /> M_\rho = \begin{pmatrix} \cos(2\pi/3) &amp; -\sin(2\pi/3) \\ \sin(2\pi/3) &amp; \cos(2\pi/3) \end{pmatrix}<br />
 
Thanks, I see how it would work for D3. However, I was referring to the center of SU(2), which is (I,-I).

If the composition rule is multiplication, how is it possible to find an element of the group which doesn't commute with -I?
 
gentsagree said:
Thanks, I see how it would work for D3. However, I was referring to the center of SU(2), which is (I,-I).

SU(2) is a matrix group. There are other groups of 2x2 matrices, and the fact that the center of SU(2) is {I, -I} has no bearing on the center of any other matrix group.

If the composition rule is multiplication, how is it possible to find an element of the group which doesn't commute with -I?

It isn't, but that doesn't matter if the group in question doesn't contain -I in the first place!

The center of a group G consists exactly of those g \in G such that for all h \in G, gh = hg.

Thus, if G is a matrix group and -I \notin G, we don't care that (-I)M = M(-I) for all M \in G; -I fails to be in the center of G by virtue of not being in G in the first place.
 

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