Parametrization manifold of SL(2,R)

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The discussion revolves around the parametrization of elements in the special linear group SL(2,R), specifically focusing on the decomposition of matrices into symmetric and rotation components. Participants explore the relationship between symmetric matrices and hyperboloids, as well as the parametrization of rotation matrices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that every element of SL(2,R) can be expressed as a product of a symmetric matrix and a rotation matrix, questioning how the symmetric matrix can be parameterized by a hyperboloid given by the equation ## z^2 - x^2 - y^2 = 1##.
  • Another participant provides the rotation matrix in the form ##K = \begin{bmatrix}\cos \varphi & -\sin \varphi \\ \sin \varphi & \cos \varphi\end{bmatrix}##, parameterized by ##\varphi \in [0,2\pi)##, and mentions the Iwasawa decomposition.
  • A subsequent reply introduces the idea that both matrices are unimodular, suggesting a form for the symmetric matrix as ## A=\begin{bmatrix}a&c\\ c & b\end{bmatrix}## and reiterates the need to relate the symmetric matrix to the hyperboloid.
  • Another participant poses a question regarding the coordinate transformation between the hyperboloid equation and an alternative form, indicating a potential connection between the two representations.
  • Finally, one participant reflects on the discussion, acknowledging that the transformation between the two forms may have been simpler than initially thought.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the parametrization of the symmetric matrix and its relation to the hyperboloid. There is no consensus on how to establish this relationship, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the unimodular condition of the matrices and the implications for their determinants. The discussion includes references to specific matrix forms and transformations, but the exact connections remain unresolved.

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I'm reading a book on Lie groups and one of the first examples is on SL(2,R). It says that every element of it can be written as the product of a symmetric matrix and a rotation matrix, which I can see, but It also makes the assertion that the symmetric matrix can be parameterized by a hyperboloid with equation given by ## z^2 - x^2 - y^2 = 1##, while the rotation matrix is parameterized by a point on a circle. I guess the rotation matrix being parameterized by a point on a circle kind of makes sense intuitively, but I can't see how the hyperboloid can possibly parameterize the symmetric matrix. What am I missing here? If anyone can demonstrate the parametrization for the rotation matrix in a rigorous way aswell, I'd be glad.
 
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Wledig said:
I'm reading a book on Lie groups and one of the first examples is on SL(2,R). It says that every element of it can be written as the product of a symmetric matrix and a rotation matrix, which I can see, but It also makes the assertion that the symmetric matrix can be parameterized by a hyperboloid with equation given by ## z^2 - x^2 - y^2 = 1##, while the rotation matrix is parameterized by a point on a circle. I guess the rotation matrix being parameterized by a point on a circle kind of makes sense intuitively, but I can't see how the hyperboloid can possibly parameterize the symmetric matrix. What am I missing here? If anyone can demonstrate the parametrization for the rotation matrix in a rigorous way aswell, I'd be glad.
Can you show the decomposition? I know of the Iwasawa decomposition into a product diagonal times upper triangle times rotation.

The rotation part is easy: A rotation matrix is of the form ##K = \begin{bmatrix}\cos \varphi & -\sin \varphi \\ \sin \varphi & \cos \varphi\end{bmatrix}## which is parameterized by ##\varphi \in [0,2\pi )##.

The Iwasawa decomposition is ##G=ANK## with ##A=\begin{bmatrix}e^t&0\\ 0 & e^{-t}\end{bmatrix}\; , \;N=\begin{bmatrix}1&x\\0&1\end{bmatrix}\,.## Of course I could consider ##AN## but this isn't symmetric.
 
Thanks for your reply. I think I should've mentioned this but the book also states that both matrices are unimodular. So we could have
## A=\begin{bmatrix}a&c\\ c & b\end{bmatrix}\ ## and ## K = \begin{bmatrix}\cos \varphi & -\sin \varphi \\ \sin \varphi & \cos \varphi\end{bmatrix} ## so that the product AK yields a matrix with determinant equal to that of the symmetric matrix which is 1 by the unimodular condition. The big question is how to relate the symmetric matrix to the hyperboloid though.
 
I see, book would've done me a favor writing the equation in this second manner. Still, I guess I should've noticed that it was just a silly transformation. Thanks again for clarifying things.
 

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