Centripetal acceleration of protons in an accelerator

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The discussion revolves around the centripetal acceleration of protons in a particle accelerator, specifically focusing on the kinetic energy and mass of the protons as they move in a circular path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the relativistic kinetic energy formula to find the velocity of protons and subsequently the centripetal acceleration. Questions arise regarding the differing mass values and the implications of protons moving at relativistic speeds.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications about the distinction between invariant mass and relativistic mass. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of protons approaching the speed of light, with some expressing confusion about the calculations and potential rounding errors.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic physics, particularly concerning the definitions of mass and the behavior of particles at high velocities. There is an acknowledgment of potential discrepancies in calculations related to relativistic effects.

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Homework Statement


In a certain accelerator, protons of kinetic energy 1.6 x 10^-7 J move round a circular path of diameter 2000m .
Calculate:
(a) the centripetal acceleration
(b) the mass

ans for a is 9x10^13 ms-2, for b is 1.78 x 10^-24 kg

Homework Equations


centripetal acceleration = v^2 / r
relativistic KE = (gamma - 1)mc^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I initially thought I could use the relativistic KE formula to find the velocity of the protons, then find the centripetal acceleration (and i got the answer, apparently, using the mass of protons as 1.67 x 10^-27, but this would contradict with the second part).

I'm not so sure why the mass of the protons would differ and how to go about getting the centripetal acceleration, otherwise ><..

thanks for any help :)
 
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Which formula did you use for the kinetic energy?
 
The (gamma-1)mc^2 one..
 
eftalia said:
The (gamma-1)mc^2 one..
Then in that case the mass in the formula represents the invariant mass of the proton, which you correctly used.

Part (b) refers to the relativistic mass.
 
OH! I see.. Okay I get the answer for the first part now but I'm confused as to how come the protons can be moving at the speed of light? Cos if so I can't find the relativistic mass since v = c and my denominator for gamma will be 0. Or is it a rounding error on my calculator?
 
eftalia said:
OH! I see.. Okay I get the answer for the first part now but I'm confused as to how come the protons can be moving at the speed of light? Cos if so I can't find the relativistic mass since v = c and my denominator for gamma will be 0. Or is it a rounding error on my calculator?
When I do the calculation, I get a value of velocity very close to c (0.99999C) - so it is probably a rounding error.
 
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Ah I see. Alright then thanks a lot :)
 

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