Centripetal Force, Gravity and Normal

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of centripetal force, gravitational force, and normal force in the context of a problem involving a ball moving in a circular path. Participants are exploring the relationships between these forces and the application of energy conservation principles.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between normal force and the vector sum of centripetal and gravitational forces. There is an exploration of energy conservation as a method to analyze the problem, with questions about the derivation of specific terms in the equations.

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Some participants have provided insights into using conservation of energy to approach the problem, while others have confirmed the correctness of the derived equations. There is a recognition of different interpretations regarding the forces involved, particularly at point Q.

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There is mention of answer choices and confusion regarding the derivation of terms such as 2mg, indicating that assumptions about the setup may be under discussion. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct answer and the reasoning behind it.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F_{c} = \frac{mv^{2}}{r}


The Attempt at a Solution



I think the normal force would be the magnitude of vector sum of centripetal force and gravitational force. So I did:

N = \sqrt{(\frac{mv^{2}}{r})^{2} + (mg)^{2}}

However, it isn't one of the answer choice. The actual answer is (c), and I have got no clue why it is (c).

I could imagine why answer is:
(a) Since mg is perpendicular to point Q, normal force is only \frac{mv^{2}}{r}
(b) if calculated from the highest tip of the circle...

but where does 2mg comes from!?

Thank in advance.
 
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The -2mg part originally comes from the KE converted to PE.

Try writing an equation for the energy of the ball at Q.
 
Oh thanks, so we approach this problem using conservation of energy.

let v = initial velocity

We have this at Point Q:
KE = KE' + PE..

1/2mv^2 = 1/2mv'^2 + mgr.

mv^2/r - 2mg = mv'^2/r

We also have Force at point Q:
Fn = Fc = mv'^2/r = mv^2/r - 2mg
 
Yes that how I got the book answer.
 

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