Centripetal Force: What Causes It?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of centripetal force in the context of uniform circular motion, specifically examining why the tension in a string points toward the center of the circular path and the implications of this on the motion of the object. Participants explore theoretical concepts, provide analogies, and clarify misconceptions related to forces and motion.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the logic behind the tension in the string pointing toward the center, suggesting that if it did, the object would move toward the center rather than in a circular path.
  • Another participant explains that the force direction aligns with the acceleration direction, and that angular momentum prevents the object from falling toward the center if it has sufficient perpendicular speed.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while tension exerts an inward force on the object, it also exerts an outward force on the attachment point, maintaining circular motion without spiraling inward.
  • One participant uses an analogy involving roller skating and wind to illustrate how forces can change the direction of motion without causing the object to move directly toward the center.
  • Another participant reiterates that for an object to accelerate in a direction, a force must also act in that same direction, reinforcing the relationship between force and acceleration.
  • A later reply reaffirms that the object moves around the center rather than toward it, attributing this to the constant change in the direction of the force due to the object's initial velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of centripetal force and the nature of motion in circular paths. There is no consensus on the initial participant's confusion regarding the relationship between tension and motion toward the center.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding angular momentum and the role of initial velocity in maintaining circular motion, suggesting that these factors are crucial for a complete understanding of the topic.

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Hello everyone
I know my question might be strange and stupid but I have to ask it!
When an object attached to a string and moved in a horizontal uniform circular motion, the tension of the string will point to the center of the circular motion, right? Well, I can't see why! I know that the acceleration points toward the center of the circle and F=ma, nevertheless, I don't find it reasonable that the force points toward the center because if the tension point toward the center, then the object would move toward the center! What is the problem in my logic??
 
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The force always point in the direction of the acceleration, according to Newton's 2nd law.

Objects can't fall toward the center of your force if they have angular momentum about the center of your force. So basically if an object has any speed perpendicular to your force, then it'll never fall towards the center. It can come very close, but never fall in. In order to get the object to fall into the center, you have to slow it down in directions perpendicular to the force.
 
The tension in the string exerts an inwards force on the object but also an outwards force on whatever the string is attached to at the middle of the circular path.

The object is always accelerating towards the center, but it's velocity is just enough for the resultant path to be a circle as opposed to a spiral or other curved path. In the case of a string, ignoring the fact that the string can stretch by a small amount, the string will only generate enough tension to keep the object in a circular path.

In the case of two orbiting objects of equal size in space, the path could be circular or elliptical.
 
Here are some other ideas as well.

Imagine you're roller skating down a street and approach a corner. You decide to turn at the corner by grabbing hold of a lamp post to your right. There is now a force on you, to the right, that deflects you from your previous motion.

The string is deflecting the motion of the mass from a straightline. So if the mass moves counterclockwise the force must be to its left and if it moves clockwise the force must be to its right.

So you might say "yeah but that doesn't mean the force points inwards" so let's imagine what would happen if it didn't. So imagine you're on a large open frozen lake and you're sliding along on your sneakers and you're heading north. Suddenly there is a strong wind blowing to the east (so coming out of the west) and you're deflected from your path, but you are still moving north, its just that now you are also moving east. Together you are moving north-east with an angle from north that depends on how strong the wind is.

The circular motion results from the force always being to the right or left of the mass...which means it points towards the center. If it didn't you wouldn't see circular motion, but some other deflection.

Is that any help? Sometimes I find it helps to imagine what would occur if it weren't the case rather than if it were.
 
If you understand F = ma, you should realize that the vectors F and a are colinear and point in the same direction.

To have an acceleration in a directon you need a force in that SAME direction. If you push your feet against the floor (a force) to move a chair back ( an acceleration) , you don't expect the chair to move forwards, correct? ?
 
Thx everyone for your help... You helped me to understand the subject
I appreciate it :)
 
metallica007 said:
Hello everyone
I don't find it reasonable that the force points toward the center because if the tension point toward the center, then the object would move toward the center! What is the problem in my logic??

The object does not move towards the center it moves around it.
 
It doesn't move towards the center, because the direction of the force is constantly changing! And that is because it has an initial velocity.
 

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