Centripetal/Tangential Acceleration

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The problem involves a pebble stuck in the tread of an automobile tire, with the task of determining the speed of the car when the pebble flies out due to static friction. The context is centered around concepts of centripetal and tangential acceleration in rolling motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply centripetal force equations to find the speed at which the pebble dislodges, questioning their understanding of the forces involved, particularly the role of static friction and gravity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations and assumptions made by the original poster. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of gravitational force and the nature of centripetal force, with a recognition of the need to check the mass conversion of the pebble.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the relationship between centripetal force and static friction, as well as the impact of gravity on the pebble's motion. The original poster's calculations are being scrutinized for accuracy, particularly in terms of unit conversions.

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Homework Statement



A 1.2 g pebble is stuck in a tread of a .76-m-diameter automobile tire, held in place by static friction that can be at most 3.6 N. The car starts from rest and gradually accelerates on a straight road. How fast is the car moving when the pebble flies out of the tire tread?


Homework Equations



net F= (mv^2)/r
t=I*α
v=ω*r

The Attempt at a Solution


I am self-studying physics right now and encountered this puzzling problem. Because it was in the rolling motions, I immediately tried to solve it using torque. Unfortunately this didn't result in anything, due to absence of distance or time. The only rotational force that dealt with velocity was centripetal, so I considered the force as centripetal force. Using the equation F=mv^2/r, I had (3.6N)=(.012kg)(v^2)/.38m

And finally, v=sqrt((.38m*3.6N)/.012kg)=10.677 m/s...

The textbook says this is wrong. Thus, my question is two-tiered: first, what did I do wrong? second, it looks like this is centripetal force, but why? (Isn't centripetal force inward, thus making friction face outward?)
 
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PhysicsVA said:

Homework Statement



A 1.2 g pebble is stuck in a tread of a .76-m-diameter automobile tire, held in place by static friction that can be at most 3.6 N. The car starts from rest and gradually accelerates on a straight road. How fast is the car moving when the pebble flies out of the tire tread?


Homework Equations



net F= (mv^2)/r
t=I*α
v=ω*r

The Attempt at a Solution


I am self-studying physics right now and encountered this puzzling problem. Because it was in the rolling motions, I immediately tried to solve it using torque. Unfortunately this didn't result in anything, due to absence of distance or time. The only rotational force that dealt with velocity was centripetal, so I considered the force as centripetal force. Using the equation F=mv^2/r, I had (3.6N)=(.012kg)(v^2)/.38m

And finally, v=sqrt((.38m*3.6N)/.012kg)=10.677 m/s...

The textbook says this is wrong. Thus, my question is two-tiered: first, what did I do wrong? second, it looks like this is centripetal force, but why? (Isn't centripetal force inward, thus making friction face outward?)

Your solution looks fine to me. You've calculated the force needed to keep the stone on the tire at velocity v and equated it to the maximum frictional force.
 
Don't forget that gravity is an additional force acting upon the pebble.
 
PhysicsVA said:
And finally, v=sqrt((.38m*3.6N)/.012kg)=10.677 m/s...
Check your conversion of the pebble mass.
Isn't centripetal force inward, thus making friction face outward?
Centripetal force is not an applied force. It is the radial component that the net force must have in order to keep the object moving at constant radius. The pebble will be dislodged when the static friction is at its maximum value, yet the radial component of the net force is less than the centripetal force required.
As rgcldr posted, the net force comes from adding the static friction and the gravity on the pebble. However, the gravitational force will be so small that it can be neglected here.
 
haruspex said:
Check your conversion of the pebble mass.

Whoa. Thank you. I missed the conversion.
 

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