CH3NH2 in the Bronsted-Lowry Theory

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The discussion revolves around the classification of CH3NH2 (methylamine) within the Bronsted-Lowry theory of acids and bases. Participants explore whether CH3NH2 should be considered a base or an acid, particularly in the context of its reactions with water and the formation of conjugate acid-base pairs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that CH3NH2 is a base, reacting with water to produce OH- and CH3NH3+.
  • Others argue that CH3NH2 can also be viewed as an acid when it is protonated to form CH3NH3+.
  • One participant highlights that the stability of NH3 as a separate compound complicates the classification of CH3NH2.
  • There is a suggestion that CH3NH2 could theoretically donate a proton, but this is questioned in the context of its behavior in aqueous solutions.
  • Some participants mention that CH3NH- can exist as a strong base in anhydrous conditions, but it quickly reacts in water.
  • There is uncertainty about the conditions under which CH3NH2 might behave as an acid versus a base.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether CH3NH2 should be classified strictly as a base or if it can also function as an acid under certain conditions. Multiple competing views remain regarding its behavior in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the Bronsted-Lowry theory and the specific behavior of CH3NH2 in different chemical environments. There are unresolved questions about the conditions that would allow CH3NH2 to act as an acid.

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We just got a worksheet about acids and bases today. One of the questions said:

"Using the Bronsted-Lowry theory of acids and bases, write equations for the following acid-base reactions and indicate each conjugate acid-base pair."

One such reaction was CH3NH2 + H2O

I checked a ton of websites, and nearly every answer I can find says that CH3NH2 is a base, and the products of this reaction are OH- + CH3NH3+.

However, my teacher seeemd to think that CH3NH2 was an acid, because if it was a Bronsted base and another H+ was added to it, it wouldn't make sense, since NH3 is a stable compound itself and wouldn't be part of a larger compound.

I know that CH3NH2 should be a base, but I also see my teacher's point about it being an acid. How can this compound accept another hydrogen? It'd also help if I could see a Lewis dot structure of CH3NH3+.
 
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The amine group (the -NH2) can accept a hydrogen ion. Yes, the methylamine is a base. The PROTONATED form of it can be considered an acid; this would be CH3NH3+1.
 
SMc21 said:
However, my teacher seeemd to think that CH3NH2 was an acid, because if it was a Bronsted base and another H+ was added to it, it wouldn't make sense, since NH3 is a stable compound itself and wouldn't be part of a larger compound.

NH3 as a separate entity is different from the same group of atoms in CH3NH3+. Comparing them make about as much sense as stating H2O can't exist, because H2 is a stable compound.
 
symbolipoint said:
The amine group (the -NH2) can accept a hydrogen ion. Yes, the methylamine is a base. The PROTONATED form of it can be considered an acid; this would be CH3NH3+1.

But couldn't one of the groups in the methylamine also "give up" an H+? Why wouldn't they be able to?

I understand how it can be a base now, but I still don't understand why it can't be an acid.
 
Technically speaking it is possible, and in well designed experiments, in anhydrous solutions, you should be able to see CH3NH-. However, CH3NH- is a very strong base, so in water it will immediately react with solvent, yielding CH3NH2 and OH-
 
Ah, so basically, any possibility for CH3NH2 to behave as an acid is canceled out because the resulting compound would almost instantly "re-react"?
 
Yes.
 
Ah, I see. Thanks for the help!
 

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