How Do You Calculate Water Hardness and Molarity in EDTA Titration?

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The discussion revolves around calculating water hardness and molarity in the context of EDTA titration, including the methodology for averaging titration volumes, determining moles of EDTA, and converting results to parts per million (ppm) of calcium. Participants also explore the theoretical aspects of EDTA's interaction with metal ions and its representation in Lewis structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether to average the volumes of EDTA used in two trials and multiply by the molar concentration to find moles of EDTA.
  • Another participant confirms that EDTA binds metal ions in a 1 to 1 ratio.
  • A question is raised about converting the calculated values to ppm of calcium.
  • There is a discussion about how to draw the Lewis dot structure of EDTA and represent the electron pairs donated.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of Bronsted-Lowry and Lewis theories to the reaction of EDTA with metal ions.
  • Concerns are raised about the precision of titration results, questioning whether different samples were used for each trial.
  • Another participant notes that the final answer may depend on the desired units, such as calcium carbonate versus calcium ion, and discusses the conversion process from moles of EDTA to mass of calcium carbonate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the stoichiometry of the reaction between EDTA and metal ions, but there are differing views on the methodology for averaging titration results and the appropriate units for reporting water hardness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate and report the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for clarity on units and conversion factors, as well as the importance of precision in titration results. Some assumptions about sample consistency and the definitions of ppm are not fully explored.

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EDTA titration?!URGENT NEED HELP

we did a lab in school to determine water hardness by EDTA titration. I did three trials , first one require 38mL , 2nd - 50 and third-42 the question was to averge the volumes of EDTA used in the last two titrations and to calculate the moles of EDTA required for the titration. do u just averge the two volumes and multiply it by the molar concentraion of EDTA to get the moles?

and how do u calculate the molarity of metal ion present in the water sample? i kno that EDTA binds the metal ions in a 1 to 1 ratio.

and for the question above how can u change it to ppm Ca

also when there is a question asking to draw a lewis dot formula of EDTA and show the 6 electron pairs donated by the lewis , am i just supposed to draw the lewis structure?

how does the reaction of EDTA w/metal ions fit into the bronsted lowry and lewis theories?
i kno that Bronsted-Lowry acids are defined as proton donors. (Protons are basically the same thing as positive hydrogen ions.) A Lewis acid though is defined as an electron pair acceptor.

For bases, Bronsted-Lowry bases are defined as proton acceptors, and Lewis bases are defined as electron pair donors.

I REALLY NEED HELP ! I DONT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS
 
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If you titrated the same replicate samples, then your precision is absolutely terrible. Did you really titrate three completely different samples, from each of three individual sources?

Yes, the EDTA anion coordinates in a 1 to 1 ratio with Calcium or Magnesium ion.

milligrams per liter is often taken as parts per million.
 
i titrated with the same sample
 
Your final answer depends on how you want the units. You might want units as calcium carbonate, or just as calcium ion. The typical unit is probably as calcium carbonate, even if there be any magnesium present.

You moles of EDTA which would be the same as moles of titrated metal ions, will be based on your titrant volume and your titrant concentration. Use the formula weight of calcium carbonate (if this is the kind of unit that you want to use) to convert to mass of calcium carbonate (remember, 1:1 mole ration for EDTA to metal ion). Now you need to use the volume of sample and the mass of calcium carbonate to find your sample concentration.
 

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