Challenging question on impulse (or momentum)

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The problem involves the dynamics of a tall building's floors during a collapse scenario, specifically focusing on the forces involved when higher floors free-fall onto lower ones. The subject area pertains to impulse and momentum, particularly in the context of structural integrity and safety factors.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of linear momentum and impulse in the context of the problem. There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the time duration for the collision, with one participant questioning whether it is 1.7 ms or 1.37 ms. Others express confusion about the calculations and results derived from the given parameters.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants attempting to clarify the time duration and its impact on the calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations involved, but there is no clear consensus on the correct approach or final answer yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the floors have equal mass and are separated by a specific distance. There is also a focus on the safety factor that must be exceeded to prevent collapse, which remains a point of contention in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Pancake collapse of a tall building. In the section of a tall building shown in Figure (a), the infrastructure of any given floor K must support the weight W of all higher floors. Normally the infrastructure is constructed with a safety factor s so that it can withstand an even greater downward force of sW. If, however, the support columns between K and L suddenly collapse and allow the higher floors to free-fall together onto floor K (Figure (b)), the force in the collision can exceed sW and, after a brief pause, cause K to collapse onto floor J , which collapses on floor I , and so on until the ground is reached. Assume that the floors are separated by d = 4.0 m and have the same mass. Also assume that when the floors above K free-fall onto K , the collision lasts 1.7 ms. Under these simplified conditions, what value must the safety factor s exceed to prevent pancake collapse of the building?
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Homework Equations


I am not sure which laws of physics this question is involved, but I assume it's on conservation of linear momentum. So for complete inelastic collision,
m1*v1i=(m1+m2)vf
Please let me know if there's anything else I should consider

OR the things above could be not relevant at all. The impulse of the falling floors is
J=Favg*∂t --> Favg=J/∂t

The Attempt at a Solution


So if i shall consider the impulse of the falling object, then i have the following
W*s=J/∂t for when the building does not fall
J is simply change in momentum, that is Delta(P)=Pf-Pi=m*vf-m*vi=m*vf
Now 0.5g*t^2=d , g*t=vf
then t=0.9035... and vf=8.8543...m/s
also m=W/9.8
so i got W*s=m*vf/∂t=((W/9.8)*8.8543)/0.00137=659.4948
apparently this is not the correct answer
 
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i_hate_math said:
0.00137
Is it 1.7ms or 1.37ms?
 
Soz.. It's 1.7ms.
 
i_hate_math said:
Soz.. It's 1.7ms.
So what answer does that give you?
 
haruspex said:
So what answer does that give you?
OMG I am diggin a hole for myself
 

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