Challenging the Role of Photons in Explaining Light's Particle Behavior

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The discussion centers on the necessity of photons in explaining light's particle behavior, questioning whether they are essential or merely a conceptual tool. Some participants argue that the particle aspects of light, such as the photoelectric and Compton effects, could be explained without invoking photons by considering concepts like zero path length and remote contact. Others highlight that the Standard Model of particle physics incorporates photons as a consequence of symmetries in quantum field theory, suggesting their fundamental role in electromagnetic interactions. The debate also touches on the limitations of special relativity in defining a photon's frame of reference, with some expressing skepticism about the implications of such a lack of a frame. Overall, the conversation reflects ongoing inquiries into the nature of light and the theoretical frameworks used to understand it.
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Faradave said:
With Frame c a relativistic inertial reference frame (RIRF), what physical problem arises from your lack of satisfactory transforms?
Without the transforms "frame c" is not even clearly defined, and the form of the laws of physics in it are completely unknown. No experimental predictions may be made and the results of experiments cannot be compared to their expected values.
 
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DaleSpam said:
Without the transforms "frame c" is not even clearly defined...
OK. But isn’t it true that you have no problem with Frame<c, even with v very close c, where path length may contract down to a Planck unit? For all we know, that is sufficiently close for “contact” - transfer of energy and momentum or even annihilation. So I've given you a, "renormalization solution". I've redefined "contact" so that it exists in a Frame<c that we can all live with.

I have no problem with that. I just feel that pinholes offer a much more tangible explanation for the particle aspects of light than “photons”. Everywhere you have a photon impact, I have a "real contact".

The difference is that pinholes predict annihilations with light between electron and positron and photons don’t. Pinholes also offer equally tangible explanations for many other phenomena where we only have descriptions now. And the wave aspects of pinholes are not mutually exclusive, the way duality is.
 
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