Change in r-hat by change in theta

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The discussion focuses on deriving expressions for the derivatives of the unit vectors in polar coordinates, specifically ##\frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta}## and ##\frac{d\hat{\theta}}{d\theta}##. The first method involves expressing the polar unit vectors in terms of Cartesian coordinates, differentiating, and applying geometric principles. The user encounters difficulties simplifying the resulting expressions into terms of ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## and realizes a mistake in their calculations related to fixed values of X and Y. Ultimately, the user learns from the process and corrects their approach, gaining insights into vector calculus and LaTeX formatting.
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Homework Statement


The motion of a particle is described in standard planepolar coordinates. Derive
an expression for each of ##\frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta}## and ##\frac{d\hat{\theta}}{d\theta}##, each in terms of one or both of ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## as necessary. Derive both results through using each of two
methods:

i.First method: Start by expressing ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## in terms of Cartesian unit vectors. Then differentiate each expression, make a diagram and use geometry or trigonometry, etc. Clearly show all
necessary steps of the argument for each.

(Omitting second method because I'm pretty sure once I figure the first out, I'll be able to use the rotating frames argument on my own)

Homework Equations


$$y=r\sin(\theta)$$
$$\frac{dy}{d\theta}=r\cos(\theta)$$
$$x=r\cos(\theta)$$
$$\frac{dx}{d\theta}=-r\sin(\theta)$$
$$r\hat{r}=x\cos{\theta}\hat{x} + y\sin{\theta}\hat{y}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


So I chucked a ##\frac{d}{d\theta}## at the last equation listed, which spits out: $$ \frac{dr}{d\theta}\hat{r} +r \frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta} = \left(\frac{dx}{d\theta}\cos{\theta}- x\sin{\theta}\right)\hat{x} + \left( \frac{dy}{d\theta}\sin{\theta}+ y\sin{\theta}\right)\hat{y}$$

I then figured if we're rolling only in ##\theta##, then by the fact that ##\hat{\theta}## is orthogonal to ##\hat{r}##, that makes ## \frac{dr}{d\theta}\hat{r} = 0##

With that in mind, I subbed in the two equations for ##\frac{dx}{d\theta}## and ##\frac{dy}{d\theta}## which yielded:

$$r \frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta} = \left(-r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}-r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}\right)\hat{x} + \left( r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}+r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}\right)\hat{y}$$

Which simplifies to:

$$r \frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta} = -2r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}\hat{x} +2r\sin{\theta}\cos{\theta}\hat{y}$$

I guess where I'm stuck is trying to boil it down further into just ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}##. It's been way too long since I've done vector calc, so I'm not sure if I can just divide out all the r's or where else I should go from this step, provided I even did it right in the first place. I mean, it'd be nice if I could snarf the cos off the x and the sin off the y and be all voila, ##\hat{r}## but I'm pretty certain that's not how this works.

Similarly, I'm expecting this to end up something like ##\frac{d\hat{r}}{d\theta}=d\theta## and this doesn't look to me like it's heading that way at all.
 
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$$\hat{r}=\cos{\theta}\hat{i}+\sin{\theta}\hat{j}$$
 
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You're kidding, right? *facepalm* Leave it to me to overcomplicate things and totally miss the obvious. Thanks, Chester. At least I managed to learn a decent amount of LaTeX last night while I was spinning my wheels.
 
For what it's worth, now that I've finished both parts of the above problem, it popped into my head where I went wrong above. For the use-case I was attempting, X and Y are fixed values, so ##\frac{dx}{d\theta}=0## and ##\frac{dy}{d\theta}=0## which plops out the answer I should have been getting if you correct the error I made above on the second term of ##\hat{y}##, which should have been ##\cos{\theta}## not ##\sin{\theta}##.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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