Changing the subject of this equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the difficulty of isolating the variable x in the equation y = [a.e^(b.x)] + [c.e^(d.x)]. Participants explore various approaches to manipulate the equation, particularly through the use of logarithms, and consider the implications of these methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Dan, attempts to take the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation but finds that it does not lead to a solution for x.
  • Another participant asserts that it is not possible to express x in terms of finitely many elementary functions, suggesting that the equation cannot be solved in a conventional sense.
  • A later reply points out that the logarithm of a sum cannot be separated into the sum of logarithms, which is a key reason for the difficulty in isolating x.
  • Some participants acknowledge that while there may be a way to express x, it would involve an infinite sum, which they consider less practical than numerical approximation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that isolating x in this equation is problematic, with some suggesting it is impossible in terms of elementary functions. However, there is a disagreement regarding the potential for expressing x in terms of an infinite series, which some view as less useful.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the methods used to manipulate the equation, particularly the misunderstanding of logarithmic properties and the implications of expressing solutions in terms of infinite series.

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I am having difficulty making x the subject of the following formula.

y = [a.e^(b.x)] + [c.e^(d.x)]

I thought the first step would be to take the natural log of both sides of the equation:

ln(y) = ln(a)+b.x+ln(c)+d.x

But this does not work, even though the following is correct:

y = a.e^x
ln(y) = ln(a) + x

I am a little stuck as to what to try next!

Dan
 
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dannybeckett said:
I am having difficulty making x the subject of the following formula.

y = [a.e^(b.x)] + [c.e^(d.x)]

I thought the first step would be to take the natural log of both sides of the equation:

ln(y) = ln(a)+b.x+ln(c)+d.x

But this does not work, even though the following is correct:

y = a.e^x
ln(y) = ln(a) + x

I am a little stuck as to what to try next!

Dan

The problem is, you can't make x the subject! At least it's not expressible in terms of finitely many elementary functions we commonly use, such as logs, powers, trig etc.
 
I had a feeling this was going to be the outcome... damnit!
 
dannybeckett said:
I am having difficulty making x the subject of the following formula.

y = [a.e^(b.x)] + [c.e^(d.x)]

I thought the first step would be to take the natural log of both sides of the equation:

ln(y) = ln(a)+b.x+ln(c)+d.x
The reason this doesn't work is that ln(A + B) ≠ ln(A) + ln(B). You cannot take the log of a sum and get the sum of the logs.
 
I see, thankyou. So there is no way at all to make x the subject in this case?
 
dannybeckett said:
I see, thankyou. So there is no way at all to make x the subject in this case?

There is, but it'd be in terms of an infinite sum, which is even less useful than just finding a numerical approximation to x.
 

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