Chaos, horror, mayhem in my neighborhood

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implementation and effectiveness of traffic circles and roundabouts, particularly in North America. Participants share personal experiences, opinions on traffic management, and the challenges faced by drivers unfamiliar with these structures. The conversation touches on safety concerns, traffic flow, and cultural differences in driving behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over the safety of newly built traffic circles, noting instances of cars driving straight across them.
  • Others suggest that signage or physical barriers could help mitigate confusion and accidents at traffic circles.
  • One participant argues that traffic circles are beneficial for maintaining traffic flow, provided drivers understand how to use them properly.
  • Another participant mentions that the lack of familiarity with traffic circles in North America contributes to chaos and accidents.
  • Some participants share experiences of traffic circles functioning well in other countries, contrasting them with the issues faced in the U.S.
  • There are claims that roundabouts can ease congestion and are preferable to traditional intersections, but only if drivers are educated on their use.
  • Several participants note that aggressive driving behavior can exacerbate problems at traffic circles.
  • One participant recounts how traffic circles have been replaced by traditional intersections in their area, leading to increased confusion and traffic issues.
  • Some express a preference for roundabouts, citing their efficiency and potential fuel savings compared to stop-and-go traffic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of traffic circles. While some advocate for their benefits, others highlight significant issues related to driver behavior and familiarity, indicating a divide in opinions on their utility.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying levels of driver education and familiarity with traffic circles across different regions, as well as differing cultural attitudes towards driving and traffic management.

  • #61
tribdog said:
I would have missed that one on the test. Of course, this is assuming the vehicle going downhill hasn't lost its brakes.

Moonbear said:
Yeah, I'd have made the same assumption that the one going downhill could be the one without brakes. :rolleyes: I think one-lane mountain roads with cliffs and two-way traffic are just something I'd be perfectly happy to avoid entirely. I think I'll take the helicopter tour. :rolleyes:

They'll probably die if they try driving down a mountain with no brakes. Backing up a mountain with no brakes is much safer.
 
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  • #62
BobG said:
(I still don't get what the wavy lines mean, plus, shouldn't the hurricanes rotate counter-clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere?).
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Do you mean the "wavy lines" on the sides and centre of the exit roads? If so, they are road markings that signify a pedestrian crossing and thus no parking there (in fact, if you park there then it's more serious than parking on double yellow lines). The "beer mugs" I guess you're talking about say "keep clear."

At least if you get stuck in the Place Charles de Gaulle, your passengers can get lots of pictures of the Arc de Triomphe.

Now that is a scary junction. It doesn't appear to have any rules!
 
  • #63
BobG said:
shouldn't the hurricanes rotate counter-clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere?

In general, yes, but in the UK, they rotate in the opposite direction, to match driving on the opposite side of the road. :rolleyes:
 
  • #64
cristo said:
At least if you get stuck in the Place Charles de Gaulle, your passengers can get lots of pictures of the Arc de Triomphe.

Now that is a scary junction. It doesn't appear to have any rules!

Perhaps it is just God playing dice.
 
  • #65
BobG said:
At least if you get stuck in the Place Charles de Gaulle, your passengers can get lots of pictures of the Arc de Triomphe.

That is the single most terrifying intersection I've ever seen in my whole life.
 
  • #66
GeorginaS said:
That is the single most terrifying intersection I've ever seen in my whole life.

Now, THAT is a place for a traffic light. That, or just put a sign up in the circle that says, "No Left Turns." :biggrin: :devil:
 
  • #67
Moonbear said:
Now, THAT is a place for a traffic light. That, or just put a sign up in the circle that says, "No Left Turns." :biggrin: :devil:

No right turns would even be more hilarious.

Been there, agree with Georgina, there is no way you can reach the Arc the Triumpf alive.
 
  • #68
Andre said:
Been there, agree with Georgina, there is no way you can reach the Arc the Triumpf alive.

I think there is an underground passage there, so the situation doesn't look that dramatic :-p
 
  • #69
Borek said:
I think there is an underground passage there, so the situation doesn't look that dramatic :-p

darn Borek, don't spoil it. :wink:

and also don't betray that the same solution works for getting into the Louvre
 
  • #70
Yes, there's an underground passage to the Arc. The funny part is watching tourists who either don't know about it or don't read French, who try to make an above-ground dash across. It's truly amusing. :biggrin:
 
  • #71
Nothing is worse than driving through Palermo, Italy. There was a travel writer that said Palermo has the worst drivers in the world. The whole time we tried to get through the roundabout one inch at a time, people leaning out of their cars shouting curses and hitting other cars on purpose, where I screamed every time we jolted forward and my driver was a seasoned Palermitan.
 

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