Charging objects by friction & chemical reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of charging objects through friction and chemical reactions, specifically focusing on the triboelectric effect and the nature of electron transfer between materials. Participants explore the underlying chemical processes and the implications of these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific chemical reactions that occur when a plastic rod is rubbed with wool, questioning whether anions and cations are produced.
  • There is a discussion about whether the charge transfer involves free electrons or if it is a molecular interaction where one surface's molecules take electrons from another, potentially forming ions.
  • One participant asserts that neither object has free electrons, suggesting that charge transfer must involve molecular interactions.
  • Another participant proposes two possible mechanisms for charge transfer: the ripping away of electrons from molecules or the tearing away of entire molecules, leading to the formation of positive and negative ions.
  • The concept of charging by conduction is brought up, with participants discussing whether applying voltage to a metallic object can produce static charge, which is confirmed as a method of charging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron transfer and the specific mechanisms involved in charging by friction and chemical reactions. There is no consensus on the exact processes or the role of free electrons, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the details of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the electron transfer mechanisms and the definitions of terms used, indicating that further clarification is needed on the nature of the charges produced.

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While rubbing the plastic rod with the wool causes the building up of charges on both of them.

1. What chemical reaction takes place between them.
2. Does it create anions and cations?
3. Is it the transfer of free electrons (I don't think so, because generally they are bad conductor of electricity.)
 
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It is called a triboelectric effect (try to google that).
 
Borek said:
It is called a triboelectric effect (try to google that).

Yes, have read it. But they are talking about exchange of electrons. But couldn't find out if those electrons are the
1. free electrons,
OR
2. molecules on one surface snatches away the electrons from the molecules of other surface making the snatcher as anions and the looser as cations.Do reply,

Thanks.
 
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Neither of the objects involved has free electrons, so they are ruled out.
 
simplescience said:
Yes, have read it. But they are talking about exchange of electrons. But couldn't find out if those electrons are the
1. free electrons,
OR
2. molecules on one surface snatches away the electrons from the molecules of other surface making the snatcher as anions and the looser as cations.Do reply,

Thanks.

Borek said:
Neither of the objects involved has free electrons, so they are ruled out.

Then the only possibilities are...

1. Ripping away of an electron from molecule of one surface, thus turning that molecule into a positive ion. The lost electron becomes part of the molecule of the other surface and it becomes a negative ion.

OR

2. Tearing away the Molecule of one surface making it a positive ion (or negative ion). The teared part of the molecule makes a bond with the molecule of other surface and thus makes a more complex negative ion.I think any of the above tend to happen. There is no other possibility remaining.

Kindly comment.

Thanks
 
Hello people I know that there are onlyfthree methods to charge an object
1 by friction or chemical reaction
2 by tribo-electro method
3 charging by induction and conduction
But can applying voltage to a metallic object from a battery who's other terminal is grounded produce static charge on that metallic object??
 
Yes, but it is already mentioned in your list. That would classify as charging by conduction for me.
 
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QUOTE="Borek, post: 5081879, member: 23711"]Yes, but it is already mentioned in your list. That would classify as charging by conduction for me.[/QUOTE]
Thank you sir ...So the metal will get charged right?
 
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Yes. Typically pretty small charge, but it will be definitely there.

Whenever you have two objects and potential difference between them, you can be sure they are charged (or at least one is charged).
 
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Borek said:
Yes. Typically pretty small charge, but it will be definitely there.

Whenever you have two objects and potential difference between them, you can be sure they are charged (or at least one is charged).
Thank you sir!
 

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