Check If Operator Is Hermitian: Real Eigenvalue Test

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions for determining whether an operator is Hermitian, focusing on the relationship between eigenvalues and the definition of Hermitian operators. It includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that an operator is Hermitian if the associated eigenvalue is a real number.
  • Another participant provides the definition of Hermitian operators using the notation for scalar products, stating that the condition is H^\dagger = H.
  • A participant agrees with the definition and notes that operators defined this way have real eigenvalues.
  • It is asserted that for an operator to be Hermitian, all eigenvalues must be real, and checking just one eigenvalue is insufficient.
  • Another participant counters that while all eigenvalues being real is necessary for Hermitian operators, it is not sufficient, providing an example of a non-Hermitian operator with real eigenvalues.
  • The discussion also touches on the applicability of the definition in finite versus infinite-dimensional vector spaces, mentioning the need for additional conditions in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of Hermitian operators and the necessity of real eigenvalues, but there is disagreement regarding the sufficiency of having all eigenvalues real, with some arguing that this condition alone does not guarantee that an operator is Hermitian.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions and conditions presented, particularly regarding the implications of eigenvalues in different dimensional spaces and the need for supplementary conditions in quantum mechanics.

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How to check if an operator is hermitian? I mean what is the condition
Actualy, i am using the principe that say that the eigenvalue associated with the operator must be a REAL NUMBER.That is to say that i work out to that eigenvalue and see if it is a real number. Am i right?
 
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Using the (x,y) notation for the scalar product, the definition of H^\dagger is

(H^\dagger x,y)=(x,Hy)

and the definition of "hermitian" is H^\dagger=H. So you usually don't have to think about eigenvalues.
 
Fredrik's definition is correct, and it is also true that an operator thus defined has real eigenvalues, as you said.
 
For an hermitian, ALL of the evs must be real.
Just checking one ev isn't enough.
 
clem said:
For an hermitian, ALL of the evs must be real.
Just checking one ev isn't enough.

True, this is necessary, but not sufficient. It is possible that all eigenvalues are
real for a non-Hermitian operator. A very simple example is the 2x2 matrix
((1, 3), (2, 2)) which is not Hermitian, but it has two distinct real eigenvalues,
namely 4 and -1.

On the other hand, Fredrik's definition is a good one, stick to it. It is valid for
all finite dimensional Vector spaces with an inner product. In QM, the vector
space can be infinite dimensional of course. In that case, Fredrik's definition
requires some supplementary conditions about bounded operators.
 

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