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The discussion centers on proving the statement that for all sets A, B, and C, if B is a subset of C, then the Cartesian product A × B is a subset of A × C. The proof provided demonstrates that for any arbitrary element x in B, it follows that x is also in C, leading to the conclusion that any ordered pair (a, x) from A × B is also present in A × C. The participants emphasize the importance of precise language in mathematical proofs, suggesting that the proof should start with "for any element (a, b) of A × B" for clarity.

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Homework Statement


Prove that \forall sets A, B, C, if B\subseteq C, then A \times B \subseteq A \times C

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Haven't done set theory proofs in a while. Does this suffice in proving the statement?:

Let x \in B be arbitrary. Assuming B \subseteq C is true, we know that x \in C. Since x \in B, we know that A \times B will produce an ordered pair (a,x) where a is an arbitrary element of A. Since x \in C, we know that A \times C will produce the same ordered pair (a,x).

Therefore by definition of subsets, A \times B \subseteq A \times C

QEDThanks for your help.
 
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Hi iamsmooth! :smile:
iamsmooth said:
Prove that \forall sets A, B, C, if B\subseteq C, then A \times B \subseteq A \times C

Let x \in B be arbitrary. Assuming B \subseteq C is true, we know that x \in C. Since x \in B, we know that A \times B will produce an ordered pair (a,x) where a is an arbitrary element of A. Since x \in C, we know that A \times C will produce the same ordered pair (a,x).

Therefore by definition of subsets, A \times B \subseteq A \times C

mmm … messy …

and what does "A \times B will produce an ordered pair (a,x) …" mean?

Instead, start "for any element (a,b) of A x B … " :wink:
 
Let x \in B be arbitrary. Assuming B \subseteq C is true, we know that x \in C.

We know that for all elements (a, x) \in A \times B where a is an arbitrary element of A, there will also exist (a, x) \in A \times C since x \in A and x \in C.

Therefore by definition of subsets, A \times B \subseteq A \times C

QED

Is this better?
 
Since you later say "for all elements (a, x) \in A \times B", why are you starting with "Let x \in B be arbitrary." ?

The proposition you are required to prove starts "for any element (a,x) of A x B",

so your proof should start with the same words. :wink:
 
Assuming B \subseteq C is true, we know that if there is any element x \in B, then x \in C.

For any element (a, b) \in A \times B where a is an arbitrary element of A and b is an arbitrary element of B, there will also exist (a, b) \in A \times C since b \in B and b \in C must be true (by assumption).

Therefore by definition of subsets, A \times B \subseteq A \times C

QED

Is it just my wording that's messed up?
 
You really don't need that opening sentence;

also, "there will also exist" is rather a strange way of putting it, since it's the same element, (a,b), in both sets …

you want something more like any element of A x B is of the form (a,b) with a in A and b in B, and since B is a subset of C, b is in C, and so (a,b) is in A x C. :wink:
 

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