Chemical Equilibrium Questions - Kc, Kp, Qp Calculations

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The discussion revolves around chemical equilibrium concepts, specifically focusing on the calculations of equilibrium constants (Kc, Kp), reaction quotient (Qp), and the implications of these values in determining the direction of reaction shifts. The scope includes homework-related questions and technical clarifications regarding equilibrium calculations.

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  • One participant questions the relationship between Kc values for different stoichiometric coefficients in reactions, specifically whether Kc for a reaction with doubled coefficients should be 2Kc or Kc squared.
  • Another participant clarifies that Kc for the second reaction is indeed the square of the first Kc, emphasizing that there is no expectation for Kc to double unless Kc equals 2.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of Qp for the reaction involving N2 and H2, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to determine Qp and whether the pressures given represent equilibrium values.
  • One participant provides a standard approach for calculating equilibrium concentrations and Kc based on initial concentrations and stoichiometry, while another participant seeks confirmation on how to calculate moles from given masses.
  • There is a calculation presented for Qp, with one participant arriving at a value of 2.60 x 10^-6 and confirming that Qp < Kp indicates a shift to the right to achieve equilibrium.

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Participants generally agree on the methods for calculating Kc and Qp, but there are differing interpretations regarding specific calculations and the implications of the results. The discussion remains unresolved on some calculation specifics and the exact values of Kp and Qp.

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Participants express uncertainty about the initial conditions and the definitions of equilibrium values, which may affect the calculations of Qp and Kp. There are also unresolved steps in the calculations presented.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying chemical equilibrium, particularly those working on homework problems related to Kc, Kp, and Qp calculations in chemical reactions.

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Hello,

I have a few questions about my homework: (it is a rather long post, but I explained my work in detail, so everything is very clear -I hope-).

1) When we have a reaction such as: SO2 (g) + 1/2O2 (g) <=> SO3 (g) and then we have:
2SO2 (g) + O2 (g) <=> 2SO3 (g), we calculate Kc of the second reaction as = the first Kc squared. Correct? Why isn't it 2Kc? Is there a case where we would have Kc being twice as much?

2) We have the following reaction:
N2 (g) + 3H2 (g) <=> 2NH3 (g). Kp = 4.51 x 10^(-5) at 450 degrees celsius.
We are given values for each of the reactants and product.
105 atm NH3, 35 atm N2 and 495 atm H2.
We have to calculate whether the reaction is at equilibrium or not at 450.
Which I did by calculating Kp by plugging in the values, and then comparing my result to the value of Kp given at the beginning of the problem. I got 1.20 x 10^(-3), which is not the same, and therefore the reaction is not at equilibrium. Correct?
But then, I have to indicate in which direction the mixture must shift in order to achieve equilibrium. I can't seem to figure out how I should do that.
Do I calculate Qp and then see which is bigger? (Qc bigger, it shift to the left, Qc smaller, it shifts to the right).

The thing is, I must be forgetting something, because I don't know which values to use to get Qp.

3) We have a mixture of 1.374g of H2 and 70.31 g of Br2, heated in a 2.00L vessel at 700K. We get this reaction:
H2 (g) + Br2 (g) <=> 2 HBr (g)
At equilibrium, we have H2 = 0.566g. We need to calculate the equilibrium concentrations of H2, Br2, HBr, and calculate Kc.
For some reason, I am blocking on this problem. Could you give me some pointers so I can start thinking in the right direction?

Thank you,

J.
 
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future_vet said:
Hello,

I have a few questions about my homework: (it is a rather long post, but I explained my work in detail, so everything is very clear -I hope-).

1) When we have a reaction such as: SO2 (g) + 1/2O2 (g) <=> SO3 (g) and then we have:
2SO2 (g) + O2 (g) <=> 2SO3 (g), we calculate Kc of the second reaction as = the first Kc squared. Correct? Why isn't it 2Kc? Is there a case where we would have Kc being twice as much?
It follows directly from the definition of Kc, doesn't it? Write down the expression for Kc for the two equations, and you'll see that the second one is simply the square of the first.

Ther is no good reason to expect a doubling of the coefficients to result in a doubling of Kc (except in the case where Kc=2).

2) We have the following reaction:
N2 (g) + 3H2 (g) <=> 2NH3 (g). Kp = 4.51 x 10^(-5) at 450 degrees celsius.
We are given values for each of the reactants and product.
105 atm NH3, 35 atm N2 and 495 atm H2.
We have to calculate whether the reaction is at equilibrium or not at 450.
Which I did by calculating Kp by plugging in the values, and then comparing my result to the value of Kp given at the beginning of the problem. I got 1.20 x 10^(-3), which is not the same, and therefore the reaction is not at equilibrium. Correct?
Show the calculation you did to get this number. I get a different number.

Also, the number you are calculating now is the Qp, not the Kp. You can only know that you are calculating Kp if you know that the pressures given represent equilibrium values.

3) We have a mixture of 1.374g of H2 and 70.31 g of Br2, heated in a 2.00L vessel at 700K. We get this reaction:
H2 (g) + Br2 (g) <=> 2 HBr (g)
At equilibrium, we have H2 = 0.566g. We need to calculate the equilibrium concentrations of H2, Br2, HBr, and calculate Kc.
For some reason, I am blocking on this problem. Could you give me some pointers so I can start thinking in the right direction?
Standard approach for all such problems:

1. Let the initial concentrations (which can easily be calculated in this problem, from the masses and the volume of the container), be [A] and .

2. The stoichiometry tells us how much of A reacts with how much of B. In this case, 1 mole of A reacts with 1 mole of B. So, in equilibrium, if x mol/L of A have been consumed, then x mol/L of B have been used up too. And again, from the stoichiometry, we know that 2x mol/L of C (the product) have been formed (only in this particular case, where A + B -> 2C ).

3. So, the equilibrium concentrations can be calculated. They are respectively: [A]-x, -x and 2x.

4. The equilibrium constant can then be evaluated. It is simply Kc = (2X)^2/(([A]-x)(-x))
 
Calculating moles out of masses

Gokul43201 said:
1. Let the initial concentrations (which can easily be calculated in this problem, from the masses and the volume of the container), be [A] and .


I am not 100% certain how I should do that.
Do I find the molecular weight of each of the chemicals, and do, for H2 for example,
1.374 g H2 = 1.374 g x 1 mol / (1.008 x2) g = 0.682 mol H2 ?

Thank you,

J.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Show the calculation you did to get this number. I get a different number.

I tried calculating again, and got the following:
Qp = (105^2) / (35 x 495^3) = 2.60 x 10^-6.
Would that be correct?

In order for the reaction to be at equilibrium, we need Qp = Kp, correct? In that case, Kp is larger. Qp < Kp => the reaction has to shift to the right to achieve equilibrium?

Thank you so much for you help!
 
future_vet said:
I am not 100% certain how I should do that.
Do I find the molecular weight of each of the chemicals, and do, for H2 for example,
1.374 g H2 = 1.374 g x 1 mol / (1.008 x2) g = 0.682 mol H2 ?
Exactly right! Then you divide the number of moles by the volume of the container (2L), to get the concentration in mol/L. First complete this step. Then, similarly calculating the value of the quilibrium concentration of H2 and subtracting from the initial concentration, you can find the change in concentration, x. Once you have x, you can find Kc.

I tried calculating again, and got the following:
Qp = (105^2) / (35 x 495^3) = 2.60 x 10^-6.
Would that be correct?
Yes, that looks more like the number I got.

In order for the reaction to be at equilibrium, we need Qp = Kp, correct? In that case, Kp is larger. Qp < Kp => the reaction has to shift to the right to achieve equilibrium?
This is correct as well.
 
Thank you Gokul43201, you are extremely helpful!

~J.
 

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