Chemical Equilibrium with Multiple Kc

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a chemical equilibrium problem involving a compound A that can react to form B and C through two different reactions, each with a given equilibrium constant (Kc). Participants explore the implications of multiple Kc values and the application of mass balance in determining the concentration of A at equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving the equilibrium of A, B, and C, expressing confusion over the correct concentration of A after equilibrium is reached.
  • Another participant suggests that the system can be described by three equations: two Kc values and one mass balance, prompting further inquiry into the meaning of mass balance.
  • A participant speculates that mass balance refers to the conservation of mass, proposing that the sum of concentrations at equilibrium should equal the initial concentration of A.
  • There is mention of an iterative approach to solving the problem, where one participant reports refining their calculations to approach a concentration of A around 0.35.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the reactions, with participants noting the continuous interplay between the formation of B and C from A, leading to confusion in calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of writing all equations and mass balances to solve the equilibrium problem, suggesting that this approach is sufficient to address the issue.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about what distinguishes this reaction from a simpler A<->2B+C reaction, indicating a desire for clarification on the underlying principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with multiple viewpoints on the application of mass balance and the implications of having multiple Kc values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method for determining the concentration of A at equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the terminology and methods applicable to the problem, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the reactions and the mathematical steps involved in solving the equilibrium equations.

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Homework Statement


Compound A can react to form B and C according to the following

A<->2B Kc=1
A<->C Kc=1

If 1 mole of A is solved into 1 litre of water, what will the concentration of A be after equilibrium has been reached?

Homework Equations


ICE-tables(?)
A<->2B+C
Kc=(^2[C])/[A]

The Attempt at a Solution


Doing this homework the usual way, doing the ICE tables, I ended up with the solution c(A)=0.39, which is not correct according to the answer.
This made me think that perhaps this can't be solved assuming that
A<->2B+C , Kc=1, C(A) at start=1, but instead there is some other method?

I would be grateful to have some tips on how I should approach this problem.
 
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This system can be described by three equations - two Kc and one mass balance. Write them all, solve.
 
Hi
I forgot to mention this task is something "off course" so I don't have any books to get information from. Also I don't know the english term for this reaction so it's hard to find answers on the internet.

That being said, thank you for your advice. I would ask a bit more about what you meant with two Kc and Mass Balance.
I suppose Mass Balance refers to conservation of mass? Would that mean that since [A] at start is 1 mole, then [A]+[2B]+[C] at end =1?
I also made an attempt to solve this doing
A<->C K=1 and solving for c(C)
and
A-<->2B K=1 and solving for c(B)
but neither gave results that would be possible.
I think the trouble is that once A reacts to form B it reacts again to form C, lowering c(A)
and then A reacts again to form B in smaller amounts and so on in an endless loop.

If there is a particular term used for this "multiple Kc" reaction, could you tell it? I'm sure if I knew where to look I'd be able to finish this.
 
Kariga said:
I suppose Mass Balance refers to conservation of mass? Would that mean that since [A] at start is 1 mole, then [A]+[2B]+[C] at end =1?

Yes.

I also made an attempt to solve this doing
A<->C K=1 and solving for c(C)
and
A-<->2B K=1 and solving for c(B)
but neither gave results that would be possible.

That's the approach I tried and it yielded something that looks quite reasonable.

I think the trouble is that once A reacts to form B it reacts again to form C, lowering c(A) and then A reacts again to form B in smaller amounts and so on in an endless loop.

Doesn't matter. System is described by the equations that were listed and they are enough to take care of the problem. General approach to every equilibrium problem is to write all equations describing the equilibrium and all mass balances, and then to solve this system for all unknowns.
 
Hi

Thank you for your help.

I redid my calculations and it seems that by iterating between the result of
A<->C
and
A<->2B
I got results with [A] starting off at 0,5 0,375 0.335 0,355... nearing the correct answer 0,35.

Still it amazes me what this makes this reaction different from plain A<->2B+C

Thank you, now I am able to perform this calculation from now on.
 
Kariga said:
Still it amazes me what this makes this reaction different from plain A<->2B+C

Have you tried to correctly balance this reaction?
 

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