Chemistry Lab Titration: Ca(OH)2 and Vinegar Solution Data Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of data from a titration lab involving calcium hydroxide (Ca(OH)2) and vinegar. Participants are exploring the calculations and methodology used in determining the concentration of acetic acid in the vinegar solution, as well as addressing discrepancies in expected results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Matt reports using a 1:20 dilution of vinegar and a concentration of 0.025 mol/L for Ca(OH)2, but is confused by the calculated concentration of acetic acid being much higher than expected.
  • Some participants suggest checking for decimal errors in calculations, while others question the appropriateness of using calcium hydroxide as a substitute for sodium hydroxide in the titration.
  • There is a discussion about the solubility of calcium hydroxide, with one participant noting that its low solubility may affect the concentration used in the experiment.
  • Matt expresses confusion over the concentration figures provided by the teacher and online sources, indicating a lack of clarity on the correct concentration of limewater.
  • Another participant provides solubility data, suggesting a recalculated concentration of calcium hydroxide based on ionic strength, which differs from the initial figure provided.
  • Matt highlights a significant discrepancy between the calculated acetic acid concentration and the expected value stated on the vinegar bottle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct concentration of calcium hydroxide or the validity of the titration results. Multiple competing views regarding the methodology and calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations related to the assumptions made about the concentrations of the solutions used, the potential for decimal errors in calculations, and the dependence on the definitions of solubility and concentration for calcium hydroxide.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and educators involved in chemistry labs, particularly those focusing on titration techniques and the analysis of acid-base reactions.

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Hello all,

We did a titration lab today. We used Ca(OH)2 in a burret and titrated a 10mL solution of vinegar. The solution of Vinegar was mixed with water, in a 1:20 ratio(inside a flask). So for every 10mL of solution there was 0.5mL of pure vinegar. We used phenothalen as the indicator.

Here is the data we collected:

Volume(Base)= Average(3 trials) = 35.1 mL Ca(OH)2 into vinegar and water solution.
Conecntration(Base) = 0.025 mol/L


Volume(Acid) = 0.5 mL (1/20 ratio at 10 mL per trial)
Conecntration(Acid) = UNKNOWN (I keep getting 3.51 mol/L which is apparently way too high)


Chemical equation:
2 CH3COOH + Ca(OH)2 = Ca(CH3COO)2 + 2 H2O

Solve
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6696/lastscanm.jpg


Notice i keep getting around 21.06% we were told we should see about 2% I been at this all day and am new to chemistry and cannot for the life of me figure this out.

Please help me.
Thanks,
Matt
 
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One possibility: Look for any decimal error. Without actually checking your work, the similarity in numeric results suggests a possible decimal errorl

One curiosity: Is calcium hydroxide actually a strong base? If not, then the reason for titrating a weak acid (acetic in vinegar) with a weak base is unusual.
 
Hi
Thanks for your reply. We titrated using a weak base because our teacher ran out of sodium hydroxide. So calcium hydroxide was the substitute. I have checked over the calculation several times and cannot find where i have gone wrong with the decimals. I am beginning to wonder if the method is correct at this point that formula was created by the teacher.
 
Calcium hydroxide is a strong base (it is almost completely dissociated), although of low solubility.

Edit: and this low solubility is an obvious problem here, saturated solution of calcium hydroxide is about 0.011M, it can't be 0.025M.

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ok thanks for your reply i don't know what to say the teacher gave us the 0.025 figure i also saw another one online for 0.027 for calcium hydroxide. at this point I am very confused i think i will take a late penlty for this lab and ask her on monday. I am very new to chemistry sorry.
 
I just looked at the vinegar bottle and it says 5% acetic acid by volume.

My average volume was 35.1 for Ca(OH)2. Ill try to start this from scratch. Ill need a proper value for concentration for limewater in mol/L if possible. This should really come off the bottle but the only thing i got to work with is 0.025 mol/L.
 
Hm, that's interesting - I have checked solubility tables and they suggest 22 mmol/L, while Ksp suggests lower concentration. I have recalculated - and taking ionic strength of the solution into account I got 16.6 mmol/L.

Edit: one more take and it seems 22 mmol/L is OK, there is also CaOH+ complex present - about 5 mmol/L.

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Ok thanks for confirming that. Ultimately what i don't understand and what i cannot explain is why i get 21 percent while the vinegar bottle says only 5%. i did get similar volumes to my peers this is what I am confused about.
 
Bump please.
 

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