[Chemistry] Salt in an acetic acid solution with copper

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the chemistry involved in a lab experiment where copper pennies are placed in a solution of salt and vinegar. Participants are exploring the role of salt in this reaction, particularly its effect on the removal of copper oxide from the pennies.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the main reaction involving copper oxide and vinegar, proposing a chemical equation for the process.
  • Another participant suggests that the addition of salt may be intended to allow chlorine to react with hydrogen to form hydrochloric acid, questioning whether the bonds in NaCl would permit this reaction in an acidic environment like vinegar.
  • A participant speculates that salt might enhance the corrosive effect on metals, potentially speeding up the reaction.
  • Several participants share links to academic papers, with one expressing difficulty accessing the material due to subscription requirements.
  • Another participant mentions checking library resources for access to the Journal of Chemical Education but finds limited availability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific role of salt in the reaction, with multiple hypotheses presented and no definitive conclusions drawn.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the chemical interactions at play, particularly the potential reactions involving chlorine and hydrogen, as well as the accessibility of relevant literature.

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Homework Statement


Basically I'm doing a lab report where we place copper pennies in a solution of salt and vinegar. This should strip the copper oxide off the outside of the pennies, leaving the copper underneath shiny and looking "new".

The problem is why we add the salt.


Homework Equations


The main reaction is with the copper oxide and the vinegar.

2 C2H4O2 + Cu ===> Cu(C2H3O2)2 + H2

The Attempt at a Solution



I've looked online and I see some people's opinions are that the salt was added so the chlorine in it would combine with some hydrogen to form hydrochloric acid, however, wouldn't the bonds between NaCl be too strong for this to happen in an acid like vinegar?

My guess is that salt somehow speeds this up because it is corrosive to metals?
 
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http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed078p513
 
Borek said:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed078p513

Thank you for the link, but is there any free literature on this? It appears that website requires a subscription or that I buy access for the article.
 
Paper is from the Journal of Chemical Education, check if your library doesn't have it. I am not aware of other papers (doesn't mean they don't exist).
 
Borek said:
Paper is from the Journal of Chemical Education, check if your library doesn't have it. I am not aware of other papers (doesn't mean they don't exist).

I checked and they don't have any papers by the Journal of Chemistry on file or available in the online library. The best they could do is get me permission to view the paper at a university that has it 2 hours away.

Thanks though!
 

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