What is the purpose of adding salts during extraction in organic chemistry lab?

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The discussion revolves around the purpose of adding salts during the extraction process in an organic chemistry lab, specifically in the context of ester synthesis. Participants explore the roles of NaHCO3 and NaCl in the extraction procedure, as well as the use of methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) for separating the organic product from the aqueous layer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that NaHCO3 is used to neutralize excess sulfuric acid in the reaction mixture.
  • Others argue that NaCl helps to absorb water molecules from the organic solvent and assists in achieving a clean separation during extraction.
  • One participant mentions that MgSO4 is also used to dry the organic layer after extraction.
  • There is a discussion about the inconsistency in labeling methyl tert-butyl ether (BME) in the lab materials.
  • Some participants note that unreacted cinnamic acid in its sodium form can create emulsions during extraction, and adding NaCl may help to break these emulsions.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of NaCl in drying the organic layer, especially when using a solvent that is largely insoluble in water.
  • One participant highlights that the presence of water in the solvent during the rotovap step can form an azeotrope, which may aid in drying the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the specific roles of the salts used in the extraction process, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the exact mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about the interactions between the salts and the reaction components, but these assumptions are not fully explored or validated within the discussion.

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Homework Statement


In O-Chem lab, after the reaction is complete, NaHC03 and NaCl solutions are added. Then BME is added and aqueous layer removed.
Why do you extract the mixture with salts, and what role does each one play?

Homework Equations


Ester synthesis
trans cinnamic acid + methanol >sulfuric acid>>>> methyl trans cinnamate

The Attempt at a Solution


I have been confused about this for a while, I need to stop confusing myself more. I think that the salt reacts with the excess sulfuric acid, but not sure why two different salts would be needed.
 
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Kglocc said:

Homework Statement


In O-Chem lab, after the reaction is complete, NaHC03 and NaCl solutions are added. Then BME is added and aqueous layer removed.
Why do you extract the mixture with salts, and what role does each one play?


Homework Equations


Ester synthesis
trans cinnamic acid + methanol >sulfuric acid>>>> methyl trans cinnamate

The Attempt at a Solution


I have been confused about this for a while, I need to stop confusing myself more. I think that the salt reacts with the excess sulfuric acid, but not sure why two different salts would be needed.

I think your reaction should read cinnamic acid +methanol+sulfuric acid \to methyl cinnamate, don't use >>>>>> for arrows, it only confuses things. Think about what NaHCO_3 is in relation to H_2SO_4. Why would you want to wash the reaction mixture with a basic solution after the reaction is over? Also, please be clear on which BME you are referring to, 2-mercaptoethanol or methyl tert-butyl ether. I am assuming you mean the latter, which is immiscible in water but will solvate your product, methyl cinnamate. The proper way to ask the question that you presented is "Why is the reaction mixture washed with NaHCO3 and extracted with methyl tert-butyl ether, followed by addition of NaCl to the organic layer?". NaCl is added to absorb any water molecules in the organic solvent. Bottom line is, the reaction is completed, add NaHCO3 to neutralize any leftover acid, followed by addition of methyl tert-butyl ether and extraction in a separatory funnel. The aqueous layer is then discarded to remover the things that are soluble in water. NaCl is then added to dry the organic solvent. This is followed by evaporation of the solvent and hopefully, crystallization.
 
gabriels-horn said:
I think your reaction should read cinnamic acid +methanol+sulfuric acid \to methyl cinnamate,
Right, thanks for the pointer!

Yes you're right about the methyl t-butyl ether. The text refers to it as BME, but it's labeled Mtbe in the the lab... why the inconsistency? don't ask a lowly lab rat like me, I'm sure that there was/is a good reason.

Okay so salts to neutralize, good! However, MgSO4 is used to dry the organic layer. I think both salts are extracted in the aqueous layer.

Then Rotavap and bada-boom a crude liquid product that had a nice strawberry aroma. No recrystallization, because the crude and pure IR spectroscopy are very similar which is all that was required for results and analysis.
 
Kglocc said:
Right, thanks for the pointer!

Yes you're right about the methyl t-butyl ether. The text refers to it as BME, but it's labeled Mtbe in the the lab... why the inconsistency? don't ask a lowly lab rat like me, I'm sure that there was/is a good reason.

Okay so salts to neutralize, good! However, MgSO4 is used to dry the organic layer. I think both salts are extracted in the aqueous layer.

Then Rotavap and bada-boom a crude liquid product that had a nice strawberry aroma. No recrystallization, because the crude and pure IR spectroscopy are very similar which is all that was required for results and analysis.

I checked again on the sat. NaCl wash. It is used to further dry the solution because it attracts water molecules to the concentrated solution. However, in practice this is probably overkill, especially when working with a solvent that is essentially insoluble in water. It would probably be suitable for extracting something in ethyl acetate or THF. I seemed to find that extraction with an insoluble organic solvent followed by evaporation and drying with NaCl was more than enough to dry the organic layer.
 
The NaCl is added to help you get a more rapid, clean break in the extraction. Unreacted cinnamic acid in the sodium form can act as a detergent in this extraction and a loose emulsion can form. Adding NaCl helps to decompose any emulsion and assists with a clean break. It might help to dry the MTBE layer and lessen the amount of MgSO4 you need to use as well. Water is sparingly soluble in the solvent and during the rotovap step it forms an azeotrope (BP = 52.9oC at 760 Torr, 3.5% water) which helps to dry it. Without the salt, only 1.5% water is present in saturated MTBE so the azeotrope can be used to significant advantage even if no MgSO4 is used.
 
Yeah thanks for your help, writing down all the steps for the extraction helped a lot.
 

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