News Cheney's Office: Part of the Executive Branch or Not?

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The discussion centers on allegations against Vice President Dick Cheney regarding his attempts to evade accountability and manipulate executive power. Rep. Henry Waxman accused Cheney of trying to dismantle the Information Security Oversight Office after it sought compliance with presidential orders. Critics highlight the inconsistency in Cheney's claims about his role in the executive branch, suggesting he selectively identifies as part of it when convenient. The conversation reflects deep frustration with the administration's perceived disregard for constitutional law, drawing comparisons to past administrations and expressing a desire for greater media coverage of these issues. Participants express a belief that Cheney operates a "secret presidency," undermining democratic processes and accountability. There is a call for impeachment discussions and a push for Congress to exert its oversight responsibilities, with concerns about the implications of unchecked executive power. The dialogue also critiques mainstream media for prioritizing sensationalism over substantive reporting on these critical issues.
  • #31
Unfortunately, Ivan, I do not expect that the toothless, neutered Congress will do anything of substance in moving toward impeachment. They are paralyzed by fear and are unwilling to exert their oversight over the executive branch, despite a clear constitutional responsibility to do so. Sheep.
 
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  • #32
They are working their way up the ladder. With talk of a subpoena for Rove, contempt of Congress for Miers and Bolten,
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRe77FXfM4.8&refer=home

and calls for a special prosecutor for Gonzales,
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4996798.html

I am hopeful that Congress is trying to and will do its job. But they are fighting and trying to penetrate a wall created by an abuse of power in the executive branch unlike any ever seen before.

Although loaded with puns and satire, there are a few excerpts in the last half of this Daily Show video that are staggering.
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=90429&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=/shows/the_daily_show/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

Frankly, I don't care if Congress accomplishes nothing else between now and the next election, but they must get these guys and prosecute them as criminals.

I hope that everyone who feels as outraged as I do writes their Congressmen and Senators to let them know. Demand that these criminals be removed from office.
 
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  • #33
The die is cast, Rove has been subpoenaed and Gonzales testimony has been contradicted by no less than the head of the FBI.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291000,00.html

Now the creeps wil claim executive privelidge and walk away. According to the link Gonzales is looking at a perjury charge
 
  • #34
Ivan Seeking said:
Obviously he thinks so.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003758120_cheney22.html

So he is part of the executive branch is when it's convienent, but he's not when it's not. Which is it?

These guys make Nixon look like a Boy Scout. I can't even begin to express the contempt, no, the hatred felt towards this administration. At this point it is beyond words. IMO, Cheney and Bush are a greater threat to Constutional law than any terrorist ever could be.

I'm actually not really surprised. I mean, he DID shoot a guy in the face. :smile:
What do you expect from a preson like that?
 
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  • #35
According to CNN, the cowards are going to recess and will see if the investigation of Gonzales has "grass roots" support.

This reminds me of the politician who sees a crowd running past him. He starts running after the crowd while saying, "I had better see where they are going so that I can lead them"

I wasn't aware that Constitutional Law was a matter of popular opinion.
 
  • #36
I hadn't seen this exchange yet.

MR. RUSSERT: Let’s go to Alberto Gonzales. To give you a flavor of it, this is an exchange that he had with New York Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer about why he went to a hospital room, when he was counselor to the president, to talk to the attorney general. Let’s watch.

(Videotape, Tuesday)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): Did the president ask you to go?

ATT’Y GEN. ALBERTO GONZALES: We were there on behalf of the president of the United States.

SEN. SCHUMER: I didn’t ask you that.

ATT’Y GEN. GONZALES: I can’t...

SEN. SCHUMER: Did the president ask you to go?

ATT’Y GEN. GONZALES: Senator, we were there on behalf of the president of the United States.

SEN. SCHUMER: Why can’t you answer that question?

ATT’Y GEN. GONZALES: That’s the answer that I can give you, senator.

SEN. SCHUMER: Well, can you explain to me why you can’t answer it directly?

ATT’Y GEN. GONZALES: Senator, again, we were there on, on an important program for this president on behalf of the president of the United States.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20024553/page/6/

There seems to be significant interest in the President's involvement, and a greater effort to deny that information. Do I detect a non-denial denial?
 

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