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Oh, that's easy, you're still moving, so just tell him that's the day you have helpers finally lined up for the move. If you're still not done moving by then, and he asks how it went, you can just grumble about them not showing up again and how sorry you are that you missed his party for nothing. :wink:
 
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Moonbear said:
Oh, that's easy, you're still moving, so just tell him that's the day you have helpers finally lined up for the move. If you're still not done moving by then, and he asks how it went, you can just grumble about them not showing up again and how sorry you are that you missed his party for nothing. :wink:
I can work this move to my advantage for the next year. :approve:
 
We had a bumper crop of carrots this year, so my wife is making loaves of carrot bread with spices and unsweetened shredded coconut for us and to distribute to the neighbors. The wife of my organic-grower neighbor who gives me garlic in return for my hot relishes and salsas, made us a huge fully-decorated Christmas wreath out of spruce boughs and they dropped it off yesterday. I put it on a front door in the center of the house that doesn't get used. It's wider than the doorway! I like spruce wreaths - they are very bushy. Hemlock and fir wreaths tend to look thin and flat unless you really load a lot of bough tips onto the wreath-frame.
 
Perhaps going a little overboard with Christmas decorations. :rolleyes:

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His name is Percy :biggrin: :smile: He is a Pomeranian.
 
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Astronuc said:
Perhaps going a little overboard with Christmas decorations. :rolleyes:

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His name is Percy :biggrin: :smile: He is a Pomeranian.
That's adorable! Is that your dog?
 
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Percy is my sister-in-law's dog.

You should have seen the expression on his face when he was being dressed. Talk about an expression of incredulity. :smile:

He reminded us of the little dog who pulls the sleigh on the animated "The Grinch Who Stole Chrismas".
 
Why do atheists celebrate Christmas?



It just proves how much of a commercial joke Christmas has turned into.
 
Astronuc said:
Perhaps going a little overboard with Christmas decorations. :rolleyes:

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His name is Percy :biggrin: :smile: He is a Pomeranian.

:smile: It could have been worse, they could have dressed him as a pointsettia. "Percy the Puny Pointsettia" is on the same album as "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer."
 
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gravenewworld said:
Why do atheists celebrate Christmas?

It just proves how much of a commercial joke Christmas has turned into.

For the same reasons as all others who celebrate Christmas celebrate Christmas; because it is fun and you can spend time with loved ones.

Furthermore, Christmas is not a Christian holiday, but has pagan roots. Christianity made it up so that the transition would be smoother in the Roman Empire. Notice that the Winter solstice is right around Christmas. If you read the bible carefully, you will also notice that the supposed birth of "Jesus" does not seem to take place in the winter at all.
 
gravenewworld said:
Why do atheists celebrate Christmas?



It just proves how much of a commercial joke Christmas has turned into.

The real question is why do Christians celebrate the solstice, which is the real reason for the season. Christ was NOT born on Christmas day. Most of the traditions of Christmas are pagan in origin.
 
Integral said:
The real question is why do Christians celebrate the solstice, which is the real reason for the season.

We know that answer: Competition.
 
Moridin said:
For the same reasons as all others who celebrate Christmas celebrate Christmas; because it is fun and you can spend time with loved ones.

Furthermore, Christmas is not a Christian holiday, but has pagan roots. Christianity made it up so that the transition would be smoother in the Roman Empire. Notice that the Winter solstice is right around Christmas. If you read the bible carefully, you will also notice that the supposed birth of "Jesus" does not seem to take place in the winter at all.

Right, Christmas really isn't about the birth of CHRIST at all...Christmas is first and foremost about celebrating the birth of Christ.

Yeah Christ supposedly wasn't born on Dec. 25th, but so what? That doesn't change the fact that Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ. Christmas traditions only exist today because Christianity preserved the pagan practices of gift giving and tree decorating. The birth of Christ is associated with the pagan traditions because many of the people who converted to Christianity still held onto some of their old folk traditions. Christians aren't celebrating the solstice, they celebrate the birth of Christ. The traditions that go along with it are pagan, but again this does not change why Christians celebrate Christmas in the first place.So you want to celebrate pagan holidays? Why not celebrate something like Samhain as well?
 
gravenewworld said:
Why do atheists celebrate Christmas?



It just proves how much of a commercial joke Christmas has turned into.
It was originally a pagan holiday. The early christian priests were losing customers, so they decided to create a holiday at the same time for christians. December 25th has absolutely nothing to do with the time of year that Jesus is believed to have been born, it's all bogus.

It's the holiday season, I enjoy the lights, ornaments and food, I don't have a religious celebration.
 
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Moridin said:
Indeed. In other languages, Christmas does not contain references to "Christ".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule
Christmas is derived from Olde English from the phrase "Christ's Mass" or "the festival of Christ".

Yule still refers to the birth of a sun god, so either way you look at it--Christmas as the celebration of the birth of Christ, or a pagan holiday, it is still a religious celebration on all accounts.

It was originally a pagan holiday. The early Christian priests were losing customers, so they decided to create a holiday at the same time for Christians. December 25th has absolutely nothing to do with the time of the year that Jesus is believed to have been born, it's all bogus.

It's the holiday season, I enjoy the lights, ornaments and food, I don't have a religious celebration.
I'm not religious at all either, but if you are celebrating Christmas you are celebrating the birth of Christ by the very definition of the word Christmas. Okay so you don't celebrate the birth of Christ, then don't say you celebrate Christmas, say you celebrate the winter solstice through gift giving. Once again, it doesn't matter that Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th, Christmas is still the time of celebrating the birth of Christ. No one knows exactly when Christ was born.

The tradition for the celebration of the winter solstice by Roman pagans is even dumber. All it was a festival of lawlessness for 1 week in which no one would be punished for damaging property or harming another person during the celebration. 1 person from every community was also chosen to represent an enemy of Rome. That person during the entire week was forced to indulge in food and physical pleasures. At the end of the week/festival that innocent person was brutally murdered.So what is dumber?

celebrating the holidays as the birth of Christ or the festival of Roman indulgence and murder?I'll go with the latter.In fact if you want to go even further back to ancient Babylon, Dec. 25th was celebrated for the festival of the Son of Isis. Again, no matter how you look at why you celebrate the holidays, you celebrate it based on religious traditions. Thus, it makes no sense for an atheist to celebrate in a religious tradition.
 
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Why in the world should I not celebrate the solstice, just because some wacky cult decided to adapt the day for their sort of religious celebration? It it the dark days of winter, so I put out lights to chase away the darkness, I bring in evergreens to recognise the regeneration of life in the coming spring. I share food and gifts with family and friends in recognition/celebration of yet another year survived.

What of these traditions is Christian in origin?
 
We're thinking about celebrating Festivus at my parents' house this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

The holiday includes novel practices such as the "Airing of Grievances", in which each person tells everyone else all the ways they've disappointed him/her over the past year. Also, after the Festivus meal, the "Feats of Strength" are performed, involving wrestling the head of the household to the floor, the holiday only ending if the head of the household is actually pinned.

Can't wait to see Mom put Dad in a headlock. :smile:
 
Integral said:
Why in the world should I not celebrate the solstice, just because some wacky cult decided to adapt the day for their sort of religious celebration? It it the dark days of winter, so I put out lights to chase away the darkness, I bring in evergreens to recognise the regeneration of life in the coming spring. I share food and gifts with family and friends in recognition/celebration of yet another year survived.

What of these traditions is Christian in origin?

You are missing the point. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HOLIDAYS IS BASED OF SOME RELIGIOUS TRADITION. It makes no sense for an atheist to celebrate the holidays, because everything originated from some religious practice. Any atheist that has any figure in their house of Santa Claus is a hypocrite.

Lights? Sorry based on a religious tradition

Tree? Sorry based on a religious tradition

Mistletoe? Sorry based on a religious tradition/ "magical powers"

Holly? Sorry based on a religious tradition
 
gravenewworld said:
It makes no sense for an atheist to celebrate the holidays, because everything originated from some religious practice. Any atheist that has any figure in their house of Santa Claus is a hypocrite.

Atheism just means absences of belief in a god. It doesn't mean an atheist can't find the festivities fun and celebrate them as a purely secular event; who doesn't like lots of decorations, good food, and brightly wrapped presents? Just because the traditions originated from religious celebrations doesn't mean people can't celebrate them without believing in any of the religious associations; they just celebrate them a bit differently.

Please don't spoil an otherwise fun thread by turning this into a religious battle.
 
Yeah, let's all stay on topic and complain about the shopping. :-p
 
Moonbear said:
Atheism just means absences of belief in a god. It doesn't mean an atheist can't find the festivities fun and celebrate them as a purely secular event; who doesn't like lots of decorations, good food, and brightly wrapped presents? Just because the traditions originated from religious celebrations doesn't mean people can't celebrate them without believing in any of the religious associations; they just celebrate them a bit differently.

Please don't spoil an otherwise fun thread by turning this into a religious battle.




So people who constantly attack religion (aka Atheists) can choose which religious traditions they attack while others they celebrate? That is hypocrisy in its purest form.



Fine, I won't spoil the thread. I am done now.
 
gravenewworld said:
So people who constantly attack religion (aka Atheists) can choose which religious traditions they attack while others they celebrate? That is hypocrisy in its purest form.
Who is attacking religion here? Your posts are the only ones attacking anyone's beliefs, and it's not going any further than this.
 
gravenewworld said:
You are missing the point. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE HOLIDAYS IS BASED OF SOME RELIGIOUS TRADITION. It makes no sense for an atheist to celebrate the holidays, because everything originated from some religious practice. Any atheist that has any figure in their house of Santa Claus is a hypocrite.

Lights? Sorry based on a religious tradition

Tree? Sorry based on a religious tradition

Mistletoe? Sorry based on a religious tradition/ "magical powers"

Holly? Sorry based on a religious tradition

Udder and complete nonsense
These are all pagan concepts adapted by the cults
the solstice is a physical event, no worship is needed to recognize its occurrence

Edit: Perhaps I ought to explain myself further:
While you can find religious justifications for each of those traditions you fail to understand that the traditions PREDATE the religion. Your adaption of pagan rituals is independent of my holding to these traditions. The difference is that I am not lying to myself and everyone else about their significance. I gave you non religious reasons for each if the traditions, the fact that you have found other justification is not my problem.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
Yeah, let's all stay on topic and complain about the shopping. :-p

What's so hard about shopping? Gift cards all around, and I did not even miss 30min of PF.
 
Integral said:
What's so hard about shopping? Gift cards all around, and I did not even miss 30min of PF.

So you give Mrs Integral a gift card for Christmas?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
Yeah, let's all stay on topic and complain about the shopping. :-p
I heard a comment that the season of re-gifting will soon be upon us. :smile:
 
Ivan Seeking said:
So you give Mrs Integral a gift card for Christmas?

Oh .~^ I am supposed to ger her something?
 
Integral said:
Oh .~^ I am supposed to ger her something?

A puppy!
 
Integral said:
Oh .~^ I am supposed to ger her something?

Ivan Seeking said:
A puppy!

Do they come in any smaller sizes than what you already have? :biggrin: