News CIA Director David Petraeus submitted his resignation Friday

[Evo]

Apparently the FBI didn't get the joke. They pulled the agent off of the case.

We won't know who to believe now;



http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/broadwells-bio-embedded-with-petraeus/?cat_orig=us

Wow it was hard to find a link on the crisis management deal. It was all over the net yesterday.

I thought the kellys were broke.

Would it ever be appropriate for an FBI agent to send a topless photo of himself to some woman who pretends to be an 'ambassador" to the military, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

Even at my job, you could not send such photos. I was under non-disclosure to the Department of Homeland Security in my job. If it's not appropriate in the office, it's not appropriate...period.

My first husband was in Naval Intelligence. He had a very high clearance, just above top secret, his clearance was letters, not "top secret", it was something like "BI", just for example, he could read these documents at the highly secure office, he COULD NOT remove them from the premises. Isn't that the issue here? Documents you take home must be declassified? That she has these classified documents in her home was a breach of security/protocol, was it not?

 

[edward]

Will this ever end.

A New York businessman who discussed a multi-billion-dollar Korean business deal with Jill Kelley said the Tampa woman at the center of the Petraeus scandal told him Gen. Petraeus had arranged for her to become an honorary consul for South Korea and promote free trade, and then asked him for $80 million to complete the deal.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/jill-...bragged-petraeus-connection/story?id=17732754

OK now I don't know whether to believe this or not

 

[Astronuc]

Isn't that the issue here? Documents you take home must be declassified? That she has these classified documents in her home was a breach of security/protocol, was it not?

If Broadwell was a courier, she might be able to have certain documents, but they would have to be secured, e.g. kept in a safe until delivered to a secure location. However, secret documents would not be kept at a persons home, but only at a secure facility like the Pentagon, government or contractor's site.

Electronic documents would have to be on an approved encrypted and protected computer, and certainly not on a home computer.

Unfortunately, we don't know the specifics, but it sounds ominous for Broadwell.

 

[MarneMath]

Does the CIA utilize the same database? I would expect this information to be special access.

The reason it implies a Petreus connection:
1. Its CIA.
2. She discusses his use of theinformation in the same context as she mentions the information.

The answer is yes, they do. They also have their own system, but regardless, it's a bit premature to just assume her only source of information is Petraeus.

 

[lisab]

The answer is yes, they do. They also have their own system, but regardless, it's a bit premature to just assume her only source of information is Petraeus.

Agree. In fact in the early days of this story (I can't find it now), Patraeus said as much. When asked about Broadwell having secret documents in her possession, he said other officers in Afghanistan may have given them to her. I'll see if I can find the article...kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack at this point though .

Edit:

Retired Gen. Petraeus also denied ... that he had given Broadwell any of the sensitive military information alleged to have been found on her computer, saying anything she had must have been provided by other commanders during reporting trips to Afghanistan.

Bolding mine.

http://www.wsbtv.com/ap/ap/crime/info-emerges-about-2nd-woman-in-petraeus-case/nS4YW/

 

[russ_watters]

Would it ever be appropriate for an FBI agent to send a topless photo of himself to some woman who pretends to be an 'ambassador" to the military, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

Even at my job, you could not send such photos. I was under non-disclosure to the Department of Homeland Security in my job. If it's not appropriate in the office, it's not appropriate...period.

I'd never use my corporate email for such a purpose either. I barely use it for any personal purposes at all and nothing that I wouldn't be willing to discuss in front of my bosses.

 

[russ_watters]

The answer is yes, they do. They also have their own system, but regardless, it's a bit premature to just assume her only source of information is Petraeus.[emphasis added]

The word was "imply". Don't read into my post something different from what I said.

 

[MarneMath]

i'm failing to see the drastic difference, but if you want to go that route, then I retract my original statement and now "it's a bit premature to assume her statements imply Petraeus is or was her only source of information."

 

[russ_watters]

i'm failing to see the drastic difference, but if you want to go that route, then I retract my original statement and now "it's a bit premature to assume her statements imply Petraeus is or was her only source of information."

That doesn't make any sense. "assume" and "it implies" are completely different. It makes no sense to put them together in the same sentence.

"Assume" is to believe something to be true regardless of if there is any evidence or not.
"It implies" is just stating that the facts suggest a connection.

So:
1. I don't believe it to be true.
2. There is evidence.

So "assume" has no place there at all. You're trying to put words in my mouth. Stop.

 

[MarneMath]

Once again, I fail to see the drastic difference and to be honest I care for it little. I think most people got the point I was making. So, can we move on? If not, feel free to make a new thread arguing the merits of the word assumed over implied. I won't be there, but if it makes you feel better, feel free too!