Circular Motion: 2-step System (very confusing)

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The discussion revolves around a circular motion problem involving a system of masses, where one mass is tied at the bottom of a rotating setup. The original poster describes their attempts to calculate various parameters such as time, velocity, and force, while expressing uncertainty about their approach and the assumptions made regarding the radius.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the velocity and force using the circumference of the circular path and the time taken for one complete rotation. They express uncertainty about their assumptions and calculations. Other participants discuss the relationship between tension and centripetal force, suggesting the use of force diagrams and Pythagorean theorem to analyze the forces acting on the masses.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of force diagrams and the relationship between tension and centripetal force, but there is no explicit consensus on the steps to take next.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with a video reference to determine time and are discussing the implications of various assumptions, such as the radius of the circular motion. There is also a request for a diagram to clarify the force relationships, indicating a need for visual representation in understanding the problem.

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1. http://paer.rutgers.edu/PT3/experiment.php?topicid=5&exptid=177
The three black stoppers that are whirling in a circle have a combined mass of 58.7g. The length of man's arm from elbow to wrist is about 30 cm.

2. Find the mass of the other object that is tied at the bottom.

3. I solved for time by first counting the number of frames it takes to complete a full circle, which was approximately 18. Then since the video is 30 frames per second, I set up a proportion (18/30 = t/1), where t=time. I then assumed that the radius was 30 cm. which I am very unsure on. I plugged in radius into C=2(pie)(r) to solve for the circumference. I divided the circumference by the time to find velocity (does this even make sense?) Then since F=m(v2/r), I plugged in mass (58.7), velocity, and radius to solve for force. I was also able to figure out acceleration since F = ma, but honestly I'm not sure if my steps so far are correct. And how would I go about solving the mass of the other object tied at the bottom?
 
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Well the mass of the other object on the bottom is the Ft and Ftx is what is proving the centripetal force. So if you have T and you have r and m you can caluclate Fc .

Now for the small mass draw its Force diagram

Fg is point down.
Fty is pointing up same magnitude of Fg
Ftx is the Fc (towards center)
and Ft is diagonal and it is equal to Fgof mass on bottom

So if you get Fc which is Ftx then you can use pythagorus Fg(of mass that's spinning)^2 + Ftx(which is Fc)^2 = mg^2
 
I'm sort of unsure on what you mean by Ftx and Fty and then using the pythagorus on Fg.

Do you think it's possible for you to paste a diagram? That would be amazing
 
I attached a diagram made in word.
 

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O thanks a lot! I'm waiting for it to be approved by the admins...
 

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