Circular Motion, an object attached by a string to a motor

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The discussion revolves around a pendulum moving in circular motion, where the objective is to determine the angle the string makes with the vertical. The problem involves parameters such as the length of the string, the period, and the frequency of the motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the possibility of using the period and frequency to derive the velocity and subsequently the radius. There is a suggestion to draw a free body diagram to identify forces and apply Newton's second law. Some participants question the role of the motor in the setup and clarify assumptions about the pendulum's motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on applying Newton's second law to different force components. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in solving for unknowns such as velocity and radius, with some participants expressing uncertainty about whether sufficient information is available to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Air resistance is noted as not being considered in the problem. The length of the string, period, and frequency are provided as known quantities, while the velocity, radius, and angle remain unknowns.

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Homework Statement



A pendulum traveling at constant speed along a circular path
Determine the angle that the string makes with the vertical.

T[/B]he length of the string was measured to be 60 cm.
The period was measured to be 1.41 s
The frequency was found to be 0.709


2. Homework Equations

Is it possible to find the radius with only the Period T and frequency f?

3. The Attempt at a Solution

I believe that it should be possible to use the period and frequency to find the velocity, and from there the radius. Once I have the radius, I can find the angle.

Using:
v = 2(pi)r / T, v = 2 (pi)fr,
v = (2 x pi x radius)/period, v = 2 x pi x frequency x radius

a = v^2/r = (2(pi)f)^2r =(2(pi)/T)^2 r
a = velocity squared / radius = (2 x pi x frequency) squared x radius
= ((2 x pi) / T))squared x radius

I have tried solving for "r" and substituting the solution in order to find velocity, ... but I end up circling back the an equation with both the two unknown variables that I am trying to find, v and r.

with advanced thanks for any advise,
D.T.
 
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How about drawing a free body diagram of the pendulum? Identify all forces acting and apply Newton's 2nd law.
 
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Referring to the thread title, I'm not seeing where the motor comes in...
 
gneill said:
Referring to the thread title, I'm not seeing where the motor comes in...
I'm guessing the string of the pendulum is tied to some spinning axis--driven by the motor.
 
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Doc Al said:
I'm guessing the string of the pendulum is tied to some spinning axis--driven by the motor.
Ah. Alrighty then. :smile:
 
Air resistance is not considered
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I understand that that force (net) = ma = (mv^2)/r
and that mass "cancels out" so Force(net) = a = v^2 / r.

Velocity is not known. Neither is the radius, or angle

(the length of the string providing the tension, the period and the frequency are known.)

I thought that I could solve for velocity, and from velocity, solve for radius, ... but am now wondering if there is enough info to so do
 
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Apply Newton's 2nd law to vertical and horizontal force components separately.
 
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Doc Al said:
Apply Newton's 2nd law to vertical and horizontal force components separately.
thank you
 

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