Circular Motion and Friction of brass block

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The problem involves determining the maximum distance from the axis of rotation at which a brass block can be placed on a revolving turntable before it slides off, given the coefficient of friction and the rotation speed of the turntable.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between friction and centripetal acceleration, with one participant attempting to derive the distance using equations involving mass, gravitational force, and angular velocity. Another participant suggests a more algebraic approach, emphasizing the importance of using variables before substituting numerical values. Questions arise regarding the conversion of frequency from revolutions per minute to revolutions per second and the relevance of this conversion to the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different approaches and questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is a suggestion to clarify the conversion of frequency, indicating a productive exploration of the problem's setup.

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Participants note the importance of using standard units for frequency and the potential confusion arising from the initial setup of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful algebraic manipulation before numerical substitution.

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The coefficient of friction between a certain brass block and a large revolving turntable is µ = 0.23. How far from the axis of rotation can the block be placed before it slides off the turntable if it is rotating at 33 1/3 rev/min?

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the only force on the block is the friction in the same direction as the centripetal acceleration, right?
so...

f = m * a(centripetal)
0.23 * N = m * v^2 / r = mRω^2, where ω = 2*pi*F(frequency), F = 1/(33 1/3) = 0.03 and N = mg.

so, simplifying,
0.23*m*g = 100/3*m*R*ω^2,
0.23*g = 100/3*R*w^2
0.0069*g = R(w^2)
R = 0.06762 / w^2, where w^2 = 0.03553
R = 1.9032 meters, which, apparently, is wrong. but why?

my work seems right, and the answer sounds right...
what have i done wrong?
 
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General tip - always do the algebra with letters only and substitue numerical values only at the end.
Your calculation should look like this:
miu * m* g = m * R * w^2
miu * g = R * w^2
R=(miu * g)/w^2 = (0.23 * 9.8)/(2 * pi * (33.33/60))^2=0.185m=18.5cm
 
how did you get 33.33/60?
where did 60 come from?
is that converting it to rev/hour? if so, why? it's not part of the question btw. I'm just wondering. =)
 
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nahya said:
f = m * a(centripetal)
0.23 * N = m * v^2 / r = mRω^2, where ω = 2*pi*F(frequency), F = 1/(33 1/3) = 0.03 and N = mg.
It looks like you are using F = 1/T, where T = period. No need for that, since you are given the frequency (you just have to convert it to standard units).

33 1/3 is the frequency in rev/min; you need the frequency in rev/sec. (That's where the (33.33)/60 comes from.)
 

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