Dynamics of a Block on top of a slab with friction between them

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the dynamics of a block on a slab with friction after a spring is released. The user calculates the accelerations of both the block and the slab using free body diagrams and derives their equations of motion, finding the block's acceleration to be 28.0 m/s² and the slab's acceleration to be 0.49 m/s². The user then attempts to determine the velocities of both objects when the block reaches the left edge of the slab, but struggles with the energy balance due to having two unknowns and only one equation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of considering the system as a whole for momentum conservation, noting that the center of mass remains stationary, which affects the velocities of the internal components. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of applying conservation laws in systems with interacting components.
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Thermofox said:
Now can I say that ##W_{\text{friction}}= \Delta l \mu_d g m_b##?
Yes.
Thermofox said:
I'm not sure because the work is done on 2 surfaces that are moving.
Depending on the frame of reference you choose, you could consider that the block moves ##x## one way and the slab moves ##\Delta l-x## the other way. So the block does work ##\mu_kxm_bg## against friction while the slab does work ##\mu_k(\Delta l-x)m_bg## against friction. The total work done against friction is always ##\mu_k\Delta lm_bg##.
Thermofox said:
But what would happen when the block falls from the slab.
You understand that you do not need to consider that, right?
Thermofox said:
Is our system still valid or as soon as they detach, they can no longer be considered as a system?
A system is whatever you define it to be.
Certainly it will behave differently after detachment.
 
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Thermofox said:
But what would happen when the block falls from the slab. Is our system still valid or as soon as they detach, they can no longer be considered as a system?
The question does not ask about what happens when the block falls from the slab. It wants the velocities at the moment before this happens.
 
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haruspex said:
You understand that you do not need to consider that, right?
Yeah, I perfectly do. I was just a thought I had, nothing more.
haruspex said:
Depending on the frame of reference you choose, you could consider that the block moves ##x## one way and the slab moves ##\Delta l-x## the other way. So the block does work ##\mu_kxm_bg## against friction while the slab does work ##\mu_k(\Delta l-x)m_bg## against friction. The total work done against friction is always ##\mu_k\Delta lm_bg##.
Ok now I understand it, Thank you immensely!
 
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Steve4Physics said:
The question does not ask about what happens when the block falls from the slab. It wants the velocities at the moment before this happens.
Yeah I do realize that, It was just an "if case" I had.
 

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