Dynamics of a Block on top of a slab with friction between them

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the dynamics of a block on a slab with friction, specifically determining the accelerations and velocities of both objects after a spring is released. The equations of motion are derived using free body diagrams, leading to the accelerations of the block and slab calculated as 28.0 m/s² and 0.49 m/s², respectively. The participants also explore the conservation of momentum and energy to find the velocities of the block and slab when the block reaches the left edge of the slab, emphasizing the need for a comprehensive approach to account for internal forces and friction.

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Thermofox said:
Now can I say that ##W_{\text{friction}}= \Delta l \mu_d g m_b##?
Yes.
Thermofox said:
I'm not sure because the work is done on 2 surfaces that are moving.
Depending on the frame of reference you choose, you could consider that the block moves ##x## one way and the slab moves ##\Delta l-x## the other way. So the block does work ##\mu_kxm_bg## against friction while the slab does work ##\mu_k(\Delta l-x)m_bg## against friction. The total work done against friction is always ##\mu_k\Delta lm_bg##.
Thermofox said:
But what would happen when the block falls from the slab.
You understand that you do not need to consider that, right?
Thermofox said:
Is our system still valid or as soon as they detach, they can no longer be considered as a system?
A system is whatever you define it to be.
Certainly it will behave differently after detachment.
 
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Thermofox said:
But what would happen when the block falls from the slab. Is our system still valid or as soon as they detach, they can no longer be considered as a system?
The question does not ask about what happens when the block falls from the slab. It wants the velocities at the moment before this happens.
 
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haruspex said:
You understand that you do not need to consider that, right?
Yeah, I perfectly do. I was just a thought I had, nothing more.
haruspex said:
Depending on the frame of reference you choose, you could consider that the block moves ##x## one way and the slab moves ##\Delta l-x## the other way. So the block does work ##\mu_kxm_bg## against friction while the slab does work ##\mu_k(\Delta l-x)m_bg## against friction. The total work done against friction is always ##\mu_k\Delta lm_bg##.
Ok now I understand it, Thank you immensely!
 
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Steve4Physics said:
The question does not ask about what happens when the block falls from the slab. It wants the velocities at the moment before this happens.
Yeah I do realize that, It was just an "if case" I had.
 

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