Circular Motion/Gravitational Acceleration Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around problems related to circular motion and gravitational acceleration. The first problem involves calculating the tension in a cord when a ball is swung vertically in uniform circular motion. The second problem focuses on determining the acceleration due to gravity at a specific height above the Earth's surface.

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  • Participants discuss the application of centripetal acceleration and tension formulas, questioning their correctness in the context of vertical circular motion. There are attempts to derive equations for gravitational acceleration using given constants and formulas.

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Some participants have offered hints and guidance regarding the need to consider the forces acting on the ball in vertical motion. Others have raised questions about the definitions and implications of vertical circles, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the free body diagram and the role of gravity in vertical circular motion. There is also mention of the need to adjust the radius when calculating gravitational forces at a height above the Earth's surface.

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Hi, I am having problems with the following two problems:

Homework Statement


A 1.84kg ball is swung vertically from a 0.80m cord in uniform circular motion at a speed of 2.8m/s. What is the tension in the cord at the bottom of the ball's motion?

Homework Equations


I have tried using the centripetal acceleration formula to find a, and then plugged it into the tension formula of T=ma (is that even right?), but cannot get the correct answer.

The Attempt at a Solution


w²r = (1.84*pi)² * 0.8 = 2.67 m/s²

Tension = ma = 2*2.67 = 5.34 N

The second problem is:

Homework Statement


The radius of the Earth is 6.38E6 m and its mass is 5.98E24 kg. What is the acceleration due to gravity at a height of 27391854.50m above the Earth's surface? (We are given that G = 6.67e-11 N*(m^2/kg^2))

Homework Equations


I have tried using G = 6.67e-11 N*(m^2/kg^2) to find the acceleration, as well as g= -GM/r^2, but cannot come up with anything.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have used g= -GM/r^2, and plugged in 5980000000000000000000000 for M and 6380000 for r, but nothing is coming out correct.

Thanks in advance!
 
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FLIHGH said:
Hi, I am having problems with the following two problems:

Homework Statement


A 1.84kg ball is swung vertically from a 0.80m cord in uniform circular motion at a speed of 2.8m/s. What is the tension in the cord at the bottom of the ball's motion?

Homework Equations


I have tried using the centripetal acceleration formula to find a, and then plugged it into the tension formula of T=ma (is that even right?), but cannot get the correct answer.

The Attempt at a Solution


w²r = (1.84*pi)² * 0.8 = 2.67 m/s²

Tension = ma = 2*2.67 = 5.34 NThanks in advance!

Hii FLIHGH ! Welcome thee to PF !

For first problem , its given that ball is swung in a "vertical" circle. You can't just apply those formulas directly.

Hint: Consider the free body diagram of the ball when it is at bottom , making an angle 0o with vertical. Then apply Newton's second law and form an equation. Resultant force contributes to centripetal acceleration.
 
sankalpmittal said:
Hii FLIHGH ! Welcome thee to PF !

For first problem , its given that ball is swung in a "vertical" circle. You can't just apply those formulas directly.

Hint: Consider the free body diagram of the ball when it is at bottom , making an angle 0o with vertical. Then apply Newton's second law and form an equation. Resultant force contributes to centripetal acceleration.

Thank you for the response-- what exactly is a vertical circle?
 
FLIHGH said:
Thank you for the response-- what exactly is a vertical circle?

Might you consider this animation of motion in vertical circle :http://www.learnerstv.com/animation/animation.php?ani= 40&cat=physics

Or see here (if your QuickTime player is not out of date) : http://phys23p.sl.psu.edu/phys_anim/mech/embederQ2.30050.html

In short , how would you solve this problem if it was a horizontal circle ? You would just put tension in string equal to centripetal force , and solve for it. In vertical circle (take a ball tied to a string and revolve it with the help of your ball and socket joint , in a plane perpendicular to ground) , gravity also plays the role. Centripetal force is resultant force of gravity and tension of string in a vertical circle. Also , its variable and depends on angle with vertical , for a given radius in vertical circle.

Now once you realize what a "vertical circle" is , get back on post #2 , and follow the hint I gave..
 
FLIHGH said:
The second problem is:

Homework Statement


The radius of the Earth is 6.38E6 m and its mass is 5.98E24 kg. What is the acceleration due to gravity at a height of 27391854.50m above the Earth's surface? (We are given that G = 6.67e-11 N*(m^2/kg^2))

Homework Equations


I have tried using G = 6.67e-11 N*(m^2/kg^2) to find the acceleration, as well as g= -GM/r^2, but cannot come up with anything.


The Attempt at a Solution


I have used g= -GM/r^2, and plugged in 5980000000000000000000000 for M and 6380000 for r, but nothing is coming out correct.

Thanks in advance!

All you need to do with this is combine your two formulas of Fg=(GMm)/r^2 and Fc=(mv^2)/r=ma
this then cancels out the mass of the smaller object so we don't need to worry about that, then by solving the equation for a, we are able to see the acceleration due to gravity at a certain point above the Earth's surface :approve:
 
just got to make sure that you take into account the radius of the point from Earth's centre of gravity...
That will affect the Fg value...
So just add the radius of the Earth to your given radius value :approve:
 

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