Circular motion with friction differential equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving circular motion with friction, specifically focusing on the relationship between speed, centripetal force, and friction in a differential equation context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between speed and friction, questioning how to express speed in terms of the changing forces involved. There is a discussion about the applicability of certain equations under non-constant acceleration conditions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding forces and the applicability of equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to express acceleration in terms of speed change, but no consensus or resolution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of potential confusion regarding the initial conditions and the equations used, with participants questioning the correctness of the problem statement and the relationships between variables.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



F=ma
ac=v^2/r
f=uN
v=v0+at
w=v/r

The Attempt at a Solution



v=v0+at
v=vo+umv^2/r
v^2(u/r)-v+vo=0


I don't see what differential equation i could use since the speed is dependent on the friction (equal to friction coeff times centripetal force) which in it's turn is also dependent on the speed
 
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Your v=v0+at equation only applies for constant acceleration. It will not be.
 
As i understand this problem, the centripetal force, which points towards the center of the ring, equals the normal force. In that case, the friction would be equal to a coefficient times the centripetal force. When the speed changes (due to friction), the centripetal force will change (mv^2/r) and so will the normal. However since the speed is dependent on the friction which in turn is dependent on the speed, I seem to be stuck in a circular situation. Would anyone have advice to help me find the relation that will allow me to express v? Thanks!
 
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my solution gives me v instead of v0 in the denominator. Is there a typo in the statement? Thanks
 
You used the expression v = vo - atant which is not applicable, as haruspex pointed out.

You found atan = μv2/R. Express the acceleration on the left side in terms of the rate of change of the speed.
 

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