Circular trajectory traveled by a charged particle in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the motion of charged particles in a magnetic field, specifically focusing on the derivation of the radius of the circular trajectory. Participants are exploring the implications of charge polarity on the trajectory and the application of the Lorentz force in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the Lorentz force and centripetal force, questioning how to treat negatively charged particles in the context of the derived radius formula. There is an exploration of whether the radius can be negative and the reasoning behind using absolute values for charge.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the vector nature of forces and the need to consider both magnitude and direction. There is an ongoing examination of the implications of charge sign on the trajectory direction, but no consensus has been reached on the treatment of negative charges in the formula.

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The original poster references a specific homework statement and relevant equations, indicating a structured approach to the problem while questioning the assumptions made regarding charge polarity.

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Homework Statement
Derive the general formula for the radius of the trajectory traveled by a charged particle in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## perpendicular to its velocity ##\vec{v}##.
Relevant Equations
Centripetal force: ##F_{C}=\frac{mv^2}{r}##
The Lorentz's force acting on a charged particle perpendicularly "hitting" a magnetic field will be directed upwards, and generally directed towards the center of the circumference traveled by this particle, and so will cause a centripetal acceleration to keep it in a circular motion.
By equalling the centripetal force formula which causes this acceleration, to the Lorentz's force acting on the particle(considering ##\theta = 90^{\circ}##), will give us:
$$qvB=\frac{mv^2}{r}\rightarrow r=\frac{mv}{qB}$$
Now, my question is: how do we treat negatively charged particles? By this formula, wouldn't their radiuses be ##<0##, since ##r\propto \frac{1}{q}##?
I can't understand why we don't use the absolute value of ##q##, since(correct me if I'm wrong), even in case of a negative charge the trajectory doesn't change, apart from the Lorentz's force direction(which would be inverted).
 
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greg_rack said:
apart from the Lorentz's force direction(which would be inverted).
Right ! So the trajectory curves in the opposite direction !
 
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Bear in mind that a force is a vector: it has magnitude and a direction.
The expression for the Lorentz force is a vector equation and all three of ##q##, ##\vec v ## and ##\vec B## determine the direction. Your ##r= {mv\over qB}## is written as a scalar equation containing only magnitudes (and units).
 
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greg_rack said:
Homework Statement:: Derive the general formula for the radius of the trajectory traveled by a charged particle in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## perpendicular to its velocity ##\vec{v}##.
Relevant Equations:: Centripetal force: ##F_{C}=\frac{mv^2}{r}##

The Lorentz's force acting on a charged particle perpendicularly "hitting" a magnetic field will be directed upwards, and generally directed towards the center of the circumference traveled by this particle, and so will cause a centripetal acceleration to keep it in a circular motion.
By equalling the centripetal force formula which causes this acceleration, to the Lorentz's force acting on the particle(considering ##\theta = 90^{\circ}##), will give us:
$$qvB=\frac{mv^2}{r}\rightarrow r=\frac{mv}{qB}$$
Now, my question is: how do we treat negatively charged particles? By this formula, wouldn't their radiuses be ##<0##, since ##r\propto \frac{1}{q}##?
I can't understand why we don't use the absolute value of ##q##, since(correct me if I'm wrong), even in case of a negative charge the trajectory doesn't change, apart from the Lorentz's force direction(which would be inverted).
Yes, it's the magnitude of the whole thing:$$r=\big | \frac{mv}{qB} \big |$$
 
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