Clarification: Breaking up a limit going towards infinity

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit \(\lim_{x\to \infty} \sqrt{x^2+1}-x\). Participants explore the validity of different approaches to simplifying the expression and the implications of applying limit laws in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the legality of manipulating limits, particularly regarding the use of the conjugate and the justification of limit properties. Some participants suggest using the definition of a limit to demonstrate the behavior of the function as \(x\) approaches infinity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on limit laws and others questioning the original poster's understanding of these concepts. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the correct application of limit properties, and the discussion remains open without a definitive consensus.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about grading student solutions that may involve similar limit manipulations, indicating a desire for consistency in evaluation. This context highlights the challenges faced in teaching and assessing understanding of limit concepts.

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Homework Statement


Find \lim_{x\to \infty} \sqrt{x^2+1}-x

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This is mostly for a refresher. I know it's zero because when we multiply the top and bottom by the conjugate to obtain \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+x} and the denominator increases without bound, thus the limit must be 0. But it is not alright to do the following, correct?
\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+x} = \lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)} =\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{2x} = 0,
knowing that \frac{1}{x^2} tends to 0. The reason I don't think it's technically correct is that even though I'm not explicitly writing it, I'm technically using
\lim_{x\to \infty} x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1) = \lim_{x\to \infty}x \lim_{x\to \infty}(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}}+1) = (\lim_{x\to \infty}x)2 = \lim_{x\to \infty} 2x,
but I am not allowed to do the first equality above because \lim_{x\to \infty}x does not exist, right? Thanks for your input.
 
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I think this is easiest to solve by just using the definition of a limit. You need to show that, for any ##\epsilon>0##, you can find ##N>0## such that ##x>N\Rightarrow |f(x)-0|<\epsilon## where ##f(x)## is the function of ##x## in your first line.

It is simple algebra with inequalities to work out how big ##N## needs to be for the inequality to be satisfied.
 
Actually, you can do that line you were worried about:

$$
\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+x} = \lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)} =\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{2x} = 0,
$$

The second equality is not justifiable, but you can avoid that if you use the fact that the limit of a product is equal to the product of limts, if both limits exist. Work with the fraction ##\frac{1}{x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)}## by factorising it into two factors, each of which has an easy limit, rather than with the denominator as you tried above, which led you towards illegality.
 
andrewkirk said:
Actually, you can do that line you were worried about:

$$
\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2+1}+x} = \lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)} =\lim_{x\to \infty} \frac{1}{2x} = 0,
$$

The second equality is not justifiable, but you can avoid that if you use the fact that the limit of a product is equal to the product of limts, if both limits exist. Work with the fraction ##\frac{1}{x(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)}## by factorising it into two factors, each of which has an easy limit, rather than with the denominator as you tried above, which led you towards illegality.

Ah yes, I can break it up into ## \frac{1}{x} ## and ## \frac{1}{(\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{x^2}} + 1)} ## the former having a limit of 0 and the latter having a limit of 1/2. In this way, I can "leave the former limit alone," obtain 1/2 from the second one, and then recombine it back into ## \frac{1}{2x} ##.

My main motive for asking this question was that I am a TA for a calc one class, and in the process of grading the quizzes, students did something like this in their solutions, but it is hard to ascertain whether they did it the illegal way in my original post or the more justifiable way in yours. Perhaps I give them the benefit of the doubt? I know there's not a right answer to this, but I'm trying to be consistent since there are other similar illegal things a few of done to obtain 0.
 
I am puzzled by this. You say you are a TA for a Calculus class but you also appear to be saying that you do not know the basic laws for limits?
They are:
1) If lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (f+ g)(x)= F+ G.
2) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (fg)(x)= FG.
3) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (f/g)(x)= F/G provided G\ne 0.
4) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and there exist some \epsilon&gt;0 such that f(x)= g(x) for 0&lt; |x- a|&lt; \epsilon then \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= F.

You are using #2.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I am puzzled by this. You say you are a TA for a Calculus class but you also appear to be saying that you do not know the basic laws for limits?
They are:
1) If lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (f+ g)(x)= F+ G.
2) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (fg)(x)= FG.
3) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= G then \lim_{x\to a} (f/g)(x)= F/G provided G\ne 0.
4) If /lim_{x\to a} f(x)= F and there exist some \epsilon&gt;0 such that f(x)= g(x) for 0&lt; |x- a|&lt; \epsilon then \lim_{x\to a} g(x)= F.

You are using #2.

Yes I do know them. For whatever reason, I decided to try and ask the question as if I were a student to somehow gain some hints about to explain things to them. I'm still new to the process, but perhaps I should be more up front in my motives from the start.
 

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