Clarifying the Redundancy of Assumptions in Theorem 4.12

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The discussion revolves around the redundancy of assumptions in a theorem related to linear independence and bases in vector spaces, specifically Theorem 4.12. Participants are examining the implications of stating that a set of vectors forms a basis and the necessity of proving linear independence for a modified set of vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the necessity of proving linear independence for a set derived from a known basis. There is discussion about whether the original statement about the basis is sufficient or if additional proof is required for the modified set of vectors.

Discussion Status

The conversation is exploring the nuances of the theorem and the implications of its assumptions. Some participants suggest that the proof may be redundant, while others affirm the need for a thorough demonstration of linear independence.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential typo in the original problem statement, which may have contributed to the confusion regarding the assumptions and the proof requirements.

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I attached the problem and its solution.

I was looking at this solution and got a little confused. Why did they say that "Assume that S = {v1, v2, · · · , vn} is a basis for V and c is a nonzero scalar. Let S1 = {cv1, cv2, · · · , cvn}. Since S is a basis for V , V has dimension n. Since S1 has n vectors, it suffices (by Part 1 of Theorem 4.12) to prove that S is independent."

That seems redundant. The problem statement already stated that S is a basis, which means that the vectors in S are linearly independent.
 

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pyroknife said:
I attached the problem and its solution.

I was looking at this solution and got a little confused. Why did they say that "Assume that S = {v1, v2, · · · , vn} is a basis for V and c is a nonzero scalar. Let S1 = {cv1, cv2, · · · , cvn}. Since S is a basis for V , V has dimension n. Since S1 has n vectors, it suffices (by Part 1 of Theorem 4.12) to prove that S is independent."

That seems redundant. The problem statement already stated that S is a basis, which means that the vectors in S are linearly independent.

It's clearly a minor typo. They meant to say, "Since S1 has n vectors, it suffices (by Part 1 of Theorem 4.12) to prove that S1 is independent."
 
Dick said:
It's clearly a minor typo. They meant to say, "Since S1 has n vectors, it suffices (by Part 1 of Theorem 4.12) to prove that S1 is independent."

Oh okay. So by saying that, wouldn't that have proved S1 is a basis? The next part (writing out all the linear combinations) just proved that it's linearly independent again. Do you need to do that?
 
pyroknife said:
Oh okay. So by saying that, wouldn't that have proved S1 is a basis? The next part (writing out all the linear combinations) just proved that it's linearly independent again. Do you need to do that?

Sure you do. That's the proof part!
 

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