Clarifying Topology Basics: What is U?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of open sets in topology, specifically focusing on the notation and meaning of the variable U in the context of defining a topology on a set X. Participants seek clarification on whether U represents a general subset or has a specific meaning as the whole set in certain contexts.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of U in the context of topology, questioning whether it represents the whole set or is simply a variable.
  • Another participant responds that U is any subset of X, explaining that it is used to determine which subsets are open in the topology.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the usage of U as the whole set, indicating some confusion regarding its application in different contexts.
  • Further clarification is provided that if X is a topological space, then the whole space is X, and if U is defined as the topological space, then U represents the whole space.
  • Participants note the distinction between U and the symbols for union, indicating that U is not synonymous with union operations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that U is a subset of X, but there is some confusion regarding its use as the whole set in different contexts, which remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential ambiguity in the notation used in topology, particularly regarding the variable U and its interpretation in different scenarios.

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This is a very simple question...

Because I'm not very good at these... notations... I feel like I need a clarification on what this means..

if X is a set, a basis for a topology on X is a collection B of subsets of X (called basis elements) satisfying the following properties.

1. For each x\inX, there is at least one basis element B containing x.

2. If belongs to the intersection of two basis elements B1 and B2, then there is a basis element B3 containing x such that B3\subsetB1\capB2.

If B satisfies these two conditions, then we define the topology T generated by B as follows: A subset U of X is said to be open in X (That is, to be an element of T) if for each x\inU, there is a basis element B \in B and B\subsetU. Note that each basis element is itself an element of T.

okay... i know what basis topology is... by reading all of these.. but i want a clarification on what this... U is... is it the whole set? like the Union? or what? or is it just a variable that they define?

I just want a clarification..

Thank you!
 
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U is any subset of X.

What this means is the following: You want to define a topology on X, so you have to say which subsets are open. So if you are given any subset U of X, here is how you can tell if it is open: if for each x in U... and so on.

Does that help?
 
It helps but...

Can i ask when U is used for the whole set?

Because doesn't the subject topology use U as the whole set?
 
tomboi03 said:
It helps but...

Can i ask when U is used for the whole set?

Because doesn't the subject topology use U as the whole set?

What do you mean by "the whole set". If X is a topological space, then the whole space is X, if you call the topological space U, then U is the whole space.

The symbols \cup and \bigcup denote the union of two sets and the union of a family of sets respectively.
 

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