Classical and quantum physics.

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The discussion revolves around identifying examples or textbook problems that illustrate the differences between classical and quantum physics. Participants explore various scenarios that could effectively demonstrate these distinctions, particularly in a way that is accessible to non-physics students.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the stability of atoms serves as a potential example to highlight differences between classical and quantum physics.
  • One participant proposes using experiments that test Bell inequalities as a standard example to illustrate these differences.
  • Another participant mentions the spectrum of an electron surrounding a proton as a more complex but interesting example.
  • Quantum tunneling is cited as a common example in introductory texts, with a connection made to everyday technology like USB flash memory.
  • A participant describes an experiment involving an object moving through a slit, contrasting the predictable behavior of a classical object with the probabilistic nature of a quantum object.
  • The harmonic oscillator is mentioned, with comparisons drawn between classical mechanics and quantum mechanics regarding oscillatory motion and stationary states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single example, as multiple competing views and examples are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some examples proposed may depend on specific definitions or interpretations of classical and quantum mechanics, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the audience's prior knowledge.

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What could be a good example or textbook problem which could be solved using quantum physics and classical physics in order to see the difference?

If you wan to explain the differences to a non-physics student, what would you do? (Don´t use the blackbody radiation problem).
 
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How about the fact that atoms are stable?
 
niklaus said:
How about the fact that atoms are stable?

Good, are there any more examples?
 
Dorilian said:
What could be a good example or textbook problem which could be solved using quantum physics and classical physics in order to see the difference?

If you wan to explain the differences to a non-physics student, what would you do? (Don´t use the blackbody radiation problem).

The standard example is an experiment for testing the Bell inequalities.
 
Dorilian said:
What could be a good example or textbook problem which could be solved using quantum physics and classical physics in order to see the difference?

If you wan to explain the differences to a non-physics student, what would you do? (Don´t use the blackbody radiation problem).

The standard example is an experiment for testing the Bell inequalities.

Much more difficult to calculate but much more interesting is the spectrum of an electron surrounding a proton.
 
Dorilian said:
What could be a good example or textbook problem which could be solved using quantum physics and classical physics in order to see the difference?

If you wan to explain the differences to a non-physics student, what would you do? (Don´t use the blackbody radiation problem).

Consider an object moving through a slit in a wall.

Assuming no forces acting anywhere, a classical object, like a bullet, say, passes straight on through in a straight line. This is Newton’s first law at work. If we repeat the experiment many times we always get the same result – the bullet always goes straight ahead. It is never deflected away from straight line motion. This classical behavior has been observed in many experiments.

But a quantum object does get deflected as it passes through a slit, even when there are no forces acting. And if we repeat the experiment we do not always get the same result. The particle can be scattered in many different directions. This quantum behavior has been observed in many experiments. There is no classical explanation for this. We only know that Newton’s laws do not work at the quantum level.

The classical calculation is trivial. The quantum calculation is not trivial, but doable.
Best wishes
 
The equation for the harmonic oscillator can be solved in classical mechanics and the Schrödinger equations for the quantum harmonic oscillator can be solved. Many comparisons can be made. In the classical case the motion is oscillatory in the quantum mechanical there are stationary states, those with exact value of energy.
 

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