Classical block on inclined plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block projected up an inclined plane with friction. The user calculates the acceleration using the forces acting on the block, leading to a negative acceleration value. They express concern that the resulting quadratic equation for distance yields imaginary roots, questioning the conditions under which real roots can be found. Other participants clarify that real roots are possible if the initial speed and distance are appropriately chosen, emphasizing the physical limits of the block's motion. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the relationship between initial conditions and the motion of the block on the incline.
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Homework Statement



A block at t=0 is at the bottom of the plane and is projected up an inclined plane with initial speed v0. The plane's acute angle is θ above the horizontal, and the coefficient of friction is μ between the block and plane.

Find the time (t) and velocity (v1) of the block when it reaches a given distance d.

Homework Equations




1. F=ma
2. d=(1/2)at^2 + v0t + d0
3. v1=at+v0

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a picture electronically:
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I made the direction FN and v0 positive.

#1
x dir
F = ma
F = -FμN - mgsinθ
ma = -μmgcosθ - mgsinθ
a = g(-μcosθ - sinθ)

So I found my a (should be a negative value), and now I want to find t when the block reaches d.

#2
d = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t +d0
0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d


Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
 
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Why do you have -a in equation #2?

And why do you think that the roots are imaginary? They depend on d; if it is sufficiently small, roots will be real. This makes perfect sense physically, because there is some maximum distance that the block can travel at any initial velocity.
 
cassinova said:
Problem: Acceleration and distance are negative so the roots are imaginary, but I need to find real roots of t and then plug it in v1=at+v0 (I think).
That does not automatically make the roots imaginary. There will be real roots if v0 is nonzero and d is sufficiently small.
 
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.
 
cassinova said:
It's just that when I graph 0 = (1/2)(-at^2) +v0t + 0 - d, the entire curve is below the x-axis.

Consider ## a = 2, \ v_0 = 5, \ d = 4 ##: is your statement true?
 
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