Classical field in quantum field theory?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between classical fields and quantum fields in the context of quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore how to determine the dependence of the coherent state parameter ##\beta(p)## on momentum and its implications for classical field profiles, particularly in applications like dark matter cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an expansion of a scalar field in QFT and questions how to reasonably determine the dependence of ##\beta(p)## on momentum, suggesting that it could be arbitrary.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no single possible assignment for ##\beta(p)##, emphasizing that a classical field depends on the spacetime event or the Fourier transform's dependence on 4-momentum.
  • A later reply reiterates the lack of a unique assignment for ##\beta(p)## and confirms that a quantum field in a non-interacting theory can be viewed as a collection of harmonic oscillators.
  • One participant queries whether the proposed assignment of ##\beta## as a delta function is valid, implying it would correspond to a plane wave.
  • Another participant mentions that a source function can generate a coherent state in QFT similarly to classical field theory, referencing a related thread for further context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assignment of ##\beta(p)##, with some suggesting that arbitrary choices are valid while others emphasize the dependence on specific realizations of the field. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to defining ##\beta(p)## in relation to classical field profiles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities involved in relating quantum field parameters to classical field behaviors, with participants acknowledging the need for specific definitions and realizations that may not be universally applicable.

Tan Tixuan
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In quantum field theory, we have the following expansion on a scalar field (I follow the convention of Schwarz's book)
$$\phi(\vec{x},t)=\int d^3 p \frac{a_p exp(-ip_\mu x^\mu)+a_p^{\dagger}exp(ip_\mu x^\mu)}{(2\pi)^3 \sqrt{2\omega_p}} \quad p^{\mu}=(\omega_p,\vec{p})$$
With commutation relation
$$[a_q,a_p^{\dagger}]=(2\pi)^3 \delta^3 (p-q)$$
We can construct a coherent state of the field by the following, with $\beta_p\equiv \beta(p)$
$$|C\rangle=exp\{-\frac{1}{2}\int d^3p |\beta_p|^2\}exp\{\int \frac{d^3p}{(2\pi)^\frac{3}{2}} (\beta_p a_p^{\dagger})\}|0\rangle$$

It is then not hard to verify that the field expectation value is

$$\langle C|\phi|C\rangle=\int \frac{d^3 p}{(2\pi)^{3/2}}\frac{\beta_p e^{-ip^{\mu}x_{\mu}}}{\sqrt{2\omega_p}}+H.C.$$

**My question is the following**:

It seems to me that ##\phi## is only a simple addition of a bunch of independent harmonic oscillators, and the value of ##\beta(p)## can be determined totally arbitrarily,**i.e. there is no a priori way to determine the dependence of $\beta$ on p . I want to know what is the reasonable way to determine this dependence.** For example, we can make ##\beta(p)## be non-zero only for ##p=0##, and then we would only be left with one simple harmonic oscillator, and the resulting field expectation value is
$$\langle C|\phi|C\rangle\sim cos(mt+\beta_0)$$However,it is often said in the literature that classical field is produced by the coherent state, especially in the study of dark matter cosmology. For example, in [this paper][1], equation 2.3, it is assumed that because the occupation number is huge, the dark matter field is almost classic, and can assume the profile
$$\phi_1(\vec{x},t)=A(\vec{x})cos(mt+\alpha(\vec{x}))$$

In this case, how should I construct ##\beta_1(p)## corresponding to ##\phi_1##, and what is the justification for this kind of profile?(the profile of ##\beta##). i.e. how should I describe it in terms of quantum field theory?

[1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1309.5888
 
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There is no single possible assignment. A classical field generally depends on the spacetime event (or the Fourier transform depends on the 4-momentum). It depends on the actual realization of the field you want.

Edit: And yes, the quantum field in a non-interacting field theory is just a bunch of harmonic oscillators.
 
Orodruin said:
There is no single possible assignment. A classical field generally depends on the spacetime event (or the Fourier transform depends on the 4-momentum). It depends on the actual realization of the field you want.

Edit: And yes, the quantum field in a non-interacting field theory is just a bunch of harmonic oscillators.
So are you saying that the assignment I propose, that ##\beta## being a delta function is a valid assignment?
 
Tan Tixuan said:
So are you saying that the assignment I propose, that ##\beta## being a delta function is a valid assignment?
That would, in essence, be a plane wave.
 

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