Classical mechanics electrostatics and charges

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem from a physics junior olympiad paper related to classical mechanics, specifically focusing on electrostatics and the behavior of charged particles near a charged sphere. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly the phrase "grazing past the sphere," and questions the appropriate approach to solve it without using calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the term "grazing" in relation to the motion of the proton, questioning whether it implies the proton stops or continues moving. There is mention of using conservation of energy to determine the speed of the proton and how the variable l affects its trajectory. Some participants express confusion about how to apply conservation laws to find l.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the application of conservation laws. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of conservation of energy to find the speed of the proton, but clarity on how to relate this to the variable l remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the competition does not allow calculus-based approaches, which influences the methods being considered for solving the problem. There is also a mention of the initial and final energy states relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


hi i was doing a practice physics junior olympiad paper when i got stuck in question 11 in this link
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https://www.scribd.com/document/244111815/SJPO-2013-Special-Round-pdf

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Edit by moderator: Inserted relevant extract of the PDF so that helpers do not have to go off-site, download a PDF, and search through it for the problem statement. By the way, it was problem 10, not problem 11 :mad:

what exactly does the question mean by grazing past the sphere does it mean the proton stops moving or does it continue moving and is the approach for the problem conservation of energy or some other approach.
i know a calculus based approach will work but this competition does not require the use of calculus so please don't give me a calculus approach. and how exactly does the variable l affect the trajectory of the particle i am confused please help? any help will be appreciated thanks!

Homework Equations


potential energy = -kQq/r
potenial = kQ/r

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vishnu 73 said:
what exactly does the question mean by grazing past the sphere does it mean the proton stops moving or does it continue moving and is the approach for the problem conservation of energy or some other approach.
i know a calculus based approach will work but this competition does not require the use of calculus so please don't give me a calculus approach. and how exactly does the variable l affect the trajectory of the particle i am confused please help? any help will be appreciated thanks!
If the proton or electron grazes the sphere, there will only be tangential speed. (in the direction perpendicular to the line from O to wherever the ). You should be able to use conservation of energy to find out what that speed is. After that there's another conservation law you can use to find l.
 
willem2 said:
If the proton or electron grazes the sphere, there will only be tangential speed. (in the direction perpendicular to the line from O to wherever the ). You should be able to use conservation of energy to find out what that speed is. After that there's another conservation law you can use to find l.

wait i don't understand how you can find out l with conservation law please i don't see it sorry!
 
Can you use conservation of energy to compute the speed of the proton when it's grazing the disk?
 
willem2 said:
Can you use conservation of energy to compute the speed of the proton when it's grazing the disk?
yay that i think i should be able to do given the initial energy and the final distance for the sphere is r so the final speed i know how to calculate but how does that help you to calculate l
 

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