Classical physics emerging from quantum physics

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between classical physics and quantum physics, specifically whether classical physics can be viewed as an emergent phenomenon from quantum mechanics. Participants explore various interpretations of quantum mechanics and the implications of emergence in understanding physical behavior at different scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if classical physics is merely the quantum physics of a large number of particles and quanta.
  • There is mention of "emergence," suggesting that nature may exhibit unexpected behaviors when components are combined, with the idea that understanding individual parts could lead to understanding the whole system.
  • One participant references the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in relation to the discussion.
  • The Copenhagen interpretation is noted for assuming the existence of classical measurement apparatus, while the Bohmian interpretation introduces hidden variables alongside the quantum wave function.
  • The Many-Worlds interpretation is mentioned as proposing the existence of multiple parallel realities.
  • A participant cites the correspondence principle, stating that quantum mechanics reproduces classical physics in the limit of large quantum numbers, suggesting that classical physics is an extension of quantum mechanics at macroscopic scales.
  • Another participant references Landau and Lifshitz, indicating that quantum mechanics includes classical mechanics as a limiting case while also requiring it for formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between classical and quantum physics, with no consensus reached on whether classical physics is simply an emergent property of quantum mechanics or if it holds a deeper significance.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about interpretations of quantum mechanics and the implications of emergence, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved within the thread.

Andrew Wright
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Is classical physics more than just the quantum physics of a large number of particles and quanta?

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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What do you think and why?
 
Some people have told me there is this thing called "emergence", where nature behaves in unexpected ways when objects are put together. I feel that if all the parts were well enough understood, you could derive the behaviour of collection - right up to the behaviour of the whole universe.
 
Andrew Wright said:
Some people have told me there is this thing called "emergence", where nature behaves in unexpected ways when objects are put together. I feel that if all the parts were well enough understood, you could derive the behaviour of collection - right up to the behaviour of the whole universe.
You might want to check out the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
 
Andrew Wright said:
Is classical physics more than just the quantum physics of a large number of particles and quanta?

The standard Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics assumes the existence of classical measurement apparatus.

The Bohmian interpretation of quantum mechanics assumes the existence of hidden variables in addition to the quantum wave function

The Many-Worlds interpretation tries to say that there are many parallel realities.
 
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I think you should look into the correspondence principle. To quote Wikipedia the correspondence principle is "the behavior of systems described by the theory of quantum mechanics (or by the old quantum theory) reproduces classical physics in the limit of large quantum numbers." So basically yes, classical physics is essentially an extension of a large number of quantum objects. When you only have a few objects, the small quantum effects become important, but when you have an enormous number of them, like in a macroscopic object, they essentially disappear. There is no deeper meaning. Think about how [itex]\hbar[/itex] is an important number in quantum mechanics, but is of the magnitude [itex]10^{-27}[/itex], so you can see why it would become negligible at large scales.
 
Andrew Wright said:
Is classical physics more than just the quantum physics of a large number of particles and quanta?

Here is the answer, from Landau and Lifshitz's famous text, in the standard Copenhagen interpretation:
Thus quantum mechanics occupies a very unusual place among physical theories: it contains classical mechanics as a limiting case, yet at the same time it requires this limiting case for its own formulation.
 

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