Clifford Algebras: Matrix Representations & Higher Order

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The discussion revolves around the matrix representations of higher order Clifford algebras, specifically focusing on even-dimensional representations and the challenges associated with odd-dimensional representations. Participants explore the mathematical structures involved and seek clarification on specific aspects of the representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether matrix representations of higher order Clifford algebras can be found.
  • Another participant suggests generalizing the Weyl basis for even-dimensional representations, providing specific matrix forms for 8 dimensions that obey the Clifford algebra.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the use of Pauli matrices in the even-dimensional case, with a request for further resources.
  • Concerns are raised about the specific case of Clifford algebras Cl(0,n) with negative signature, emphasizing that all gamma matrices should square to -1.
  • A participant proposes a modification to ensure that all matrices square to -1 and anticommute, forming an 8-dimensional representation.
  • Further inquiries are made about obtaining matrix representations for Cl(0,6) or Cl(0,8), with one participant expressing limitations in their mathematical background.
  • Another participant suggests that their focus is on Cl(0,4) and Cl(1,3) due to their relevance in spacetime, indicating a potential disconnect with the original inquiry.
  • A participant with a pure mathematics background expresses uncertainty about where to find these representations and considers seeking help from other forums.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interest in different types of Clifford algebras, with no consensus reached on the specific representations for odd-dimensional cases or the broader applicability of the discussed concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their mathematical knowledge, particularly regarding odd-dimensional representations and the specific properties of the algebras being discussed. There is also an indication that the relevance of these topics may vary across different areas of physics.

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Can matrix representations of any higher order Clifford Alebras be found ?
 
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Well for an even-dimensional representation, an obvious choice is to generalize the Weyl basis. For example in 8 dimensions have:

[tex]\gamma^0 = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0 & I \\ 0 & 0 & I & 0 \\ 0 & I & 0 & 0 \\ I & 0 & 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

[tex]\gamma^k = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & 0 & 0& \sigma^k \\ <br /> 0 & 0 & -\sigma^k & 0 \\<br /> 0 & \sigma^k & 0& 0\\<br /> -\sigma^k & 0 & 0& 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

which obey the Clifford algebra. Similarity transformation or constructing reducible matrices can get you more variety, of the trivial type.

As for odd-dimensional representations, you're on your own, as my math isn't any good: I have no clue as to how you would construct those.
 
Thanks for the reply. Can you elaborate the even order case. I think you are using pauli matrices but I know only 3 of them. Can you clarify? Or can you tell me where to look for them.
 
sjhanjee said:
Thanks for the reply. Can you elaborate the even order case. I think you are using pauli matrices but I know only 3 of them. Can you clarify? Or can you tell me where to look for them.

The [tex]\sigma[/tex] matrices are the 3 Pauli matrices. The I is the 2x2 identity matrix. So the matrices in this case would be 8x8.

Here is the Wikipedia link for the 4x4 matrices:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_matrices
 
Another question? My clifford algebras are Cl(0,n) (of negative signature) , not the space time algebra, so all the gamma matrices should square to -1.
 
sjhanjee said:
Another question? My clifford algebras are Cl(0,n) (of negative signature) , not the space time algebra, so all the gamma matrices should square to -1.

All the matrices I gave above square to -1, except the 1st matrix. You can multiply every entry of the 1st matrix by the square root of -1. Then all the matrices square to -1, and they all anticommute with each other. So they form an 8-dimensional matrix representation of a Clifford algebra with 4 elements.
 
Yes ,I am getting there. Another (silly) question. Can you give matrix representations of Cl(0,6) or Cl(0,8) similarily ( or for that matter any Cl(0,2n) )?
 
sjhanjee said:
Yes ,I am getting there. Another (silly) question. Can you give matrix representations of Cl(0,6) or Cl(0,8) similarily ( or for that matter any Cl(0,2n) )?

I don't know. My math is not really any good, so I'm only interested in Cl(0,4) and Cl(1,3), which are useful for spacetime. Perhaps if you try another board, they would be better able to help.

Here is a general list of boards:

https://www.physicsforums.com/

I don't know which one would be good though, but I don't believe this stuff is really seen in classical physics (I could be wrong though), so maybe try quantum mechanics or beyond the standard model.
 
Thanks for your reply. I am coming from pure mathematics backgrond. And I don't know where to look for these representations , I will try other boards.Thks
 

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