Clinton vs Sanders: Pros & Cons - Factual Sources Only

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The thread discusses the pros and cons of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders as political candidates, focusing on factual sources and statements rather than opinions. The scope includes political positions, personal wealth, and policy implications related to the candidates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that what constitutes a "pro" for one candidate may be viewed as a "con" by another.
  • One participant expresses the opinion that Clinton and the GOP are perceived as wanting to give the government excessive power, while Sanders is viewed as a threat to freedom.
  • Concerns are raised about Clinton's portrayal of herself as an average person despite her significant wealth and connections, with references to her earnings from paid speeches.
  • Another participant highlights Clinton's wealth as a factor in her unique influence and ability to connect with powerful figures.
  • A participant expresses support for Sanders, citing better policy positions on campaign finance reform, healthcare, taxes, and foreign policy, while also raising skepticism about his stances on free college, immigration reform, and support for Planned Parenthood.
  • Concerns are mentioned regarding the potential impact of free college on educational quality and the implications of immigration reform on social welfare systems.

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Participants express a range of opinions, with no consensus reached on the merits of either candidate. Multiple competing views remain regarding their policies and personal attributes.

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Participants emphasize the need for factual sources, but opinions are still present and are noted as such. The discussion reflects a mix of personal views and factual claims without resolution on the candidates' overall merits.

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This is a new thread that will be for posting the pros and cons of the 2 candidates. Please post acceptable sources for statements that are not opinions. Opinions must be stated as such and will be limited as we prefer to deal with facts.
 
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Opinion: Clinton and the GOP want to give the government the power to kill its own people but somehow Sanders is the one who's going to try to take away your freedom.
 
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Hillary keeps making the mistake of claiming to be an average person:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...nton-I-know-what-it-s-like-to-be-knocked-down
Yes, Hillary, but after you have been knocked down, you have a treasure chest of some $30 million, and a group of friends , each more powerful than any average person could ever dream of having , to help get you back in the game. Nothing wrong per se with being rich and powerful , just stop pretending you are anything else, that you are an average person.
 
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WWGD said:
Yes, Hillary, but after you have been knocked down, you have a treasure chest of some $30 million, and a group of friends , each more powerful than any average person could ever dream of having , to help get you back in the game. Nothing wrong per se with being rich and powerful , just stop pretending you are anything else, that you are an average person.
May she's average for the top 1%?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-paid-speeches/

Bill and Hillary Clinton together earned "more than $153 million in paid speeches from 2001 until Hillary Clinton launched her presidential campaign last spring, a CNN analysis shows.

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks."

Not exactly an average person, but may be an average millionaire celebrity?http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...ends-speaking-fees-paid-by-wall-street-firms/
She described her paid speaking — which spanned events for financial firms and a number of other trade associations and businesses, which typically paid fees of around $225,000 per speech — as a chance for business leaders to hear about her views on world events.
 
Clinton's extraordinary personal wealth is a small part of the measure of the uniqueness of her circumstances, of her influence. How many billionaires have her ability to pick up a phone to her foundation, to US officials, to foreign officials, and exert influence.
 
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Good thread idea!

Where are all the posts? I would have expected a much more lively discussion given the narrowing race between Sanders and Clinton!

I absolutely went nuts during last night's debate (3/9/16), in which Sanders came out attacking and continued to do so all night long. Big Sanders fan here!

I personally think Sanders has better policy positions and judgment on:

a.) campaign finance reform
b.) healthcare
c.) taxes
d.) Middle East foreign policy

I'm skeptical or critical towards Sanders on:

e.) free college
f.) immigration reform
g.) planned parenthood support (I'm pro-choice)

I'm not against free college, but wonder about the costs, effects on quality of education, and appropriateness. I'm not sure college is for everyone, as lots of people have good careers without it.

On immigration reform, I worry about the burden of 10 million+ newly eligible people for social welfare programs in the U.S. If we give citizenship or legal status to all these people, would they flood our social services and overburden our system?
 
Dear members, we want to be constant on this forum's purpose. Because it's not a current event we will be closing this thread. Thanks for your participation and understanding!
 

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