Clopen Sets: Closure = Interior?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of clopen sets in topology, specifically whether the closure of a clopen set equals its interior. Participants explore related concepts of open and closed sets, disconnected subspaces, and the implications of closures in different topological spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the closure of a clopen set equals its interior.
  • Another participant proposes proving that a set is open if it equals its interior and closed if it equals its closure.
  • A participant references an example sheet that asks for a disconnected subspace T of a topological space S, suggesting that if a subset A is clopen, then its closure and interior would lead to a contradiction regarding disconnectedness.
  • One participant clarifies that the closure of a subset A may be larger than A in the larger space S.
  • Another participant provides an example using the real numbers, stating that the closure of the interval (0,1) is [0,1], which is not equal to (0,1).
  • A participant expresses confusion about proving the nonexistence of nonempty subsets that meet certain criteria.
  • Another participant suggests that having a specific example is crucial for understanding the atypical behavior of disconnected spaces.
  • One participant proposes the subset (0,2) with two halves (0,1) and (1,2) as an example, noting that their closures intersect.
  • A later reply questions whether the union of the proposed halves covers the entire space, as they miss the point 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of clopen sets and the properties of disconnected spaces. There is no consensus on the existence of examples that satisfy the conditions discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of topological properties and the need for careful consideration of definitions and examples. Some assumptions about the nature of closures and interiors in different topological contexts remain unresolved.

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For a subset which is both closed and open (clopen) does its closure equal its interior?
 
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1) Prove:

a) A set is open iff it is equal to its interior.

b) A set is closed iff it is equal to its closure.

2) Conclude.
 
But one of the questions in my example sheet said think of an example of a disconnected subspace T of a topological space S for which there are no nonempty subsets A,B of T such that [itex]A\cup B = T[/itex] but [itex]\bar{A} \cap \bar{B} =[/itex]∅

Surely if [itex]\bar{A} = A = A^o[/itex] then [itex]\bar{A} \cap \bar{B} = A \cap B = ∅[/itex] which is the definition of disconnected so there are no examples?
 
The key is that you're looking at a subspace, the closure of A may be larger than A in S
 
Do you mean larger than T?
 
For example if S is the real numbers and A is (0,1), then the closure of A is [0,1], which of course is not equal to A
 
But how could you possibly go about proving that there are NO nonempty subsets
 
It helps if you have the actual example that you're going to work with. As you've observed this phenomenon is atypical behavior of disconnected spaces, so you really need to exploit the fact that you're working in a larger topology.

Think a bit about the example I gave with A... can you think of a disconnected subset T in R such that when you take the closure of its two separated halves, they intersect (hint: this is the same as just taking the closure of T)
 
How about the subset (0,2) where the two halves are (0,1) and (1,2)? So the closure would be [0,1] and [1,2] which intersect at 1?
 
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Surely the union of those two halves don't make the entire space as they miss out the point 1?
 

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