Closed Sets in XxY & Recognizing W in RxR

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The discussion revolves around properties of closed sets in the context of topology, specifically focusing on the product topology in X x Y and examples of closed subsets in R x R. The original poster presents two problems: demonstrating that the Cartesian product of closed sets is closed and identifying a closed subset in R x R with a non-closed first component.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definition of closed sets and the product topology, with some questioning how to demonstrate that A x B is closed. There is mention of using the complement and basis sets in the product topology. An example of a closed subset W in R x R is proposed, and participants explore the implications of its components.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and examples. Some have successfully addressed the first problem using the pi mapping, while others are exploring examples for the second problem. There is no explicit consensus, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants are navigating definitions and properties of closed sets, as well as the implications of the product topology. There is a focus on recognizing closed subsets and their components, with specific examples being discussed.

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1. If A and B are closed. Show that A x B is a closed subset of X x Y with the product topology.

2. Give an example of a closed subset W of RxR such that the first component of W (it is made up of two components) is not closed in R.

For 2. How does one recognise a closed subset W in RxR?

For 1. How do you show A x B is closed in general? Is the only way from functions like pi and when one end is open or closed the other must be as well.
 
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RxR is R^2, the plane, and closed subsets are just sets containing their boundaries. For example, points, lines, line segments (with endopints included), closed disks (ie, including the boundary circle), and any finite union of these are closed.

What is your definition of the product topology? One definition makes this problem less than trivial. For the other, which is probably the one you're using, you need to show that the complement of AxB is open, ie, is a union of basis sets. This can be done by some set theory, made easier by drawing a picture.
 
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I've done 1) by using the pi mapping and using the property of cty of pi.

What about an example for 2)?
 
I'll give you a hint: the graph of a continuous function f(x) is closed (prove this). Try looking at some familiar functions.
 
How about the example W={x,y|y=1/x} which is closed in R^2 because W contains all its adherent points.

The first component of W is R/{0} which is not closed as 0 an adherent point of R but not in W.

Correct?
 
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Yea, that works.
 

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