Closure of a countable subset of the reals

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The discussion revolves around the closure of the set A = {ln(1 + q^2) : q is rational} within the real numbers under the Euclidean topology. Participants are exploring the implications of the density of rational numbers in the reals and how it affects the closure of the set A.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of closure and its relation to the density of rational numbers. There are attempts to determine if Cl(A) could be [0, +∞> based on the density argument and the behavior of the function ln(1 + q^2). Questions arise regarding the nature of the values produced by the function and their implications for the closure.

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Some participants suggest that the closure of A is [0, +∞> based on the density of the rational numbers and the behavior of the function. However, there is uncertainty expressed about the relationship between the rational inputs and the resulting outputs of the function, indicating that the discussion is still open to interpretation.

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Participants are considering the implications of the closure in the context of the real numbers and the properties of the function involved. There is a focus on the distinction between rational and real values, which may affect the understanding of the closure.

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Let A = {ln(1 + q^2) : q is rational}. One needs to find Cl(A) in R with its euclidean topology.

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So, the set A is a countable subset of [0, +∞>. The closure is, by definition, the intersection of all closed sets containing A. So, Cl(A) would be [0, +∞> itself , right?

I'm just curious about my solution, thanks in advance.

By the way, another way to look at it would be the fact that A is dense in [0, +∞> (since every open interval in [0, +∞> intersects A), so Cl(A) = [0, +∞>. I'm not really sure about this, although it seems quite obvious. Can we, for every <a, b> in [0, +∞>, find some rational q such that ln(1 + q^2) is contained in <a, b>?
 
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As the rationals are dense in R, the closure will be the range of f(x) =ln(1 + x^2) i.e.,
[0, +∞).
 
Eynstone said:
As the rationals are dense in R, the closure will be the range of f(x) =ln(1 + x^2) i.e.,
[0, +∞).

OK, thanks. But I was not sure about that, since the values of f are not rational in general.
 
Yes, that's why the range is all real numbers larger than or equal to 0 and not just rational numbers.
 

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