CM Physics M.Sc. in Canada: Next step?

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The discussion centers around the career prospects for someone with an M.Sc. in condensed matter physics in Canada, particularly regarding the necessity of pursuing a Ph.D. for research positions in industry. Participants explore the viability of transitioning to other fields such as engineering or geophysics, given the limited opportunities in condensed matter research.

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  • One participant suggests that a Ph.D. is generally a minimum requirement for research positions in condensed matter physics.
  • Another participant questions whether the original poster is open to relocating outside Canada, indicating that more opportunities may exist globally.
  • Concerns are raised about the limited availability of research opportunities in Canada, particularly in basic science.
  • Some participants note that having an M.Sc. may lead to being overqualified for B.Sc. positions while being underqualified for Ph.D. roles.
  • There is a suggestion that a Master's degree in fields like engineering or geophysics may be more employable than a Ph.D. in physics, depending on the job market.
  • One participant mentions that industrial physics and government research jobs in the U.S. typically require a Master's degree unless compensated by extensive technical experience.
  • The original poster expresses interest in geophysics, particularly in relation to opportunities in Newfoundland's oil and gas sector.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a Ph.D. is necessary for research positions, and there are multiple competing views regarding the best path forward given the job market conditions in Canada and abroad.

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Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding job qualifications and market demands, as well as the varying opportunities based on geographic location and field specialization.

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My job search is going poorly and I am considering returning to school to do a Ph.D.. I have an M.Sc. in condensed matter (CM) physics and a B.Sc. with a focus on soft matter physics. I am hoping to enter industry in an R&D setting, but as I live in Canada my opportunities to do R&D in CM are limited. I've been told that having an M.Sc. makes you over qualified for B.Sc. positions and under qualified for Ph.D. positions.

Do I need a Ph.D. to have a shot at research positions?

Will I find myself in the similar position when I graduate?

Given the limited research opportunities in Canada is it worth doing a Ph.D in physics and pursuing research positions, or should I start a graduate program in either engineering, computer science, geophysics, or petrophysics (all of which I find interesting and more employable)?

Any advice would be appreciated!
 
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In general, if you want a shot at working in a research setting in physics (condensed matter specifically for you), then yes, a PhD is a minimum requirement.

That being said, my question to you is whether you are dead-set on staying in Canada or are willing to move to find a position -- and not just to the US (a common place for Canadian graduates to migrate to) but anywhere in the world, including places like China, India, Singapore, Japan, UK, Australia, continental Europe, Brazil, etc. If you are willing to relocate as I described above, then there should be more opportunities open for you in physics research in general (CM in particular), although as others have pointed out, opportunities for physics research (whether academic or industrial) are limited everywhere. I can attest that research opportunities in basic science in general are very limited in Canada.

If your thoughts are on staying in Canada, I would recommend considering pursuing a Masters in the other fields you had mentioned, which are indeed more employable (I'm not sure how employable geophysics is outside of the oil & gas industries in Alberta or in places like the Northwest Territories, Yukon or Nunavut).
 
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I've been told that having an M.Sc. makes you over qualified for B.Sc. positions and under qualified for Ph.D. positions.

I don't know how it is in Canada, but a quick job search in the US will reveal industrial physics and government research jobs expect a masters in physics or cognate fields like optics or materials science, unless you can make up for that with many years of technical experience in that specific field.

A phd will open some doors and close others. A masters in a different field will open different doors and close others. Eventually you must specialize in something.
 
Thanks for the responses.
StatGuy2000: I am looking at working in Newfoundland in particular where there is a lot of oil and gas activity, so I think that geophysics should be a good direction.
 

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