Coal Dust Contamination: Environmental Concerns and Impact on Waterways

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the environmental concerns related to coal dust contamination from open top hopper car transportation of coal, particularly focusing on the potential leaching of heavy metals into waterways and their implications for the food chain. Participants explore the processes that may lead to the mobilization of these metals and the broader environmental impact.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the process by which bound heavy metals in coal become mobile and enter the food chain, expressing uncertainty about the mechanisms involved.
  • Another participant suggests that key questions include the amount of coal lost during transportation, the percentage of heavy metals present in coal, and the significance of leached metals compared to existing environmental levels.
  • A participant emphasizes the need to understand the environmental processes that could leach metals from coal, noting that while combustion and strong acids can do this, other natural processes are of interest.
  • One participant argues that coal is not as stable as it may seem, highlighting that it can oxidize slowly and interact with various environmental factors, including microorganisms.
  • A later reply clarifies that the initial understanding of stability was related to the oxides of heavy metals, questioning the energy required to liberate these oxides in natural settings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability of coal and the processes involved in leaching heavy metals, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the stability of heavy metals in coal and the environmental conditions necessary for their mobilization, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

Argentum Vulpes
First I'm hoping this is in the right section.

There is a big debate in the high plains of the Rockies and the Pacific Northwest about coal being transported by rail in open top hopper cars. The debate seems to center on coal dust and bits of coal making its way into the water ways. As far as I can find the reason that the environmental groups says that this is a bad thing is that the coal will then cause elevated levels of heavy metals in the water ways, and these metals will enter into the food chain.

My question I was hoping that could be cleared up is what is the process that causes a bound heavy metal in a stable matrix to be leached or made mobile in some form that it can enter the food chain. I'm drawing a complete blank.

The cynical part of my brain just believes that this is an end run around to get coal plants to shut down. Hit the fuel, kill the plant. However that is a part of this thread that doesn't really need to be discussed here, maybe over in current events.
 
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The basic questions to ask would be how much coal is lost from the open car transportation, what percentage of heavy metals is in coal, and if leached out is that amount significant compared to what is already in the environment.
 
256bits said:
The basic questions to ask would be how much coal is lost from the open car transportation, what percentage of heavy metals is in coal, and if leached out is that amount significant compared to what is already in the environment.

Good point, however I'd still like to know the process that leaches the metals out of a stable matrix. I know that combustion or strong acids can do that, but environmental process that can do this would be nice to know about.
 
Argentum Vulpes said:
... a stable matrix...

Pause, and think --- a mixture of carbon compounds, finely divided (dust), plus exposure to oxygen, UV, and who knows how many microorganisms that have evolved to metabolize just about any substance containing reduced carbon. Bottom line --- coal is not "stable" --- not highly reactive at ambient conditions, but it will oxidize slowly, and if well insulated, can start wars ("Remember the Maine!").
 
Bystander said:
Pause, and think --- a mixture of carbon compounds, finely divided (dust), plus exposure to oxygen, UV, and who knows how many microorganisms that have evolved to metabolize just about any substance containing reduced carbon. Bottom line --- coal is not "stable" --- not highly reactive at ambient conditions, but it will oxidize slowly, and if well insulated, can start wars ("Remember the Maine!").

Ok didn't think about that, and yes now that you mention it I do "Remember the Maine!" from history class. I guess I didn't state too clearly by what I meant by stable, I was thinking more about the oxides of the heavy metals. Granted chemistry was one of my weaker subjects, I was under the understanding that the heavy metals in coal were all oxides. The energy needed to liberate those oxides are greater then the energies that can be found in river beds, or lying on the ground.
 

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