Coefficients in the Schrodinger equation and the momentum operator

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The discussion revolves around the coefficients in the Schrödinger equation and the momentum operator in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the significance of these coefficients and their implications for understanding particle properties, particularly in relation to electron spin and potential modifications to established equations.

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  • The original poster questions why the coefficients in the Schrödinger equation and the momentum operator are set to specific values, such as ##\hbar## and ##-i\hbar##, rather than alternative fractions.
  • Some participants suggest that the commutation relations of position and momentum may provide insight into the choice of these coefficients.
  • One participant proposes that the coefficients might be related to the spin of subcomponents of electrons, suggesting a potential modification of the Schrödinger and Dirac equations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that altering these constants would lead to results inconsistent with experimental observations.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of discussing electron spin at this stage of understanding, with suggestions to focus on foundational concepts first.
  • A later reply challenges the original poster's understanding of spin and the implications of personal theories in the context of forum rules.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the coefficients in the equations, with some supporting the idea of potential modifications and others emphasizing adherence to established principles. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the necessity or validity of proposed changes.

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Participants reference foundational texts and principles in quantum mechanics, indicating a reliance on established theories while also exploring speculative ideas. The discussion touches on advanced concepts such as spin and commutation relations, which may not be fully understood by all participants.

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How are the coefficients in the Schrodinger equation and the momentum operator determined?
The Schrödinger equation is

$$
i\hbar \frac{\partial\Psi}{\partial t} = -\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m} \frac{\partial^{2}\Psi}{\partial x^{2}} + V \Psi
$$

Why is the coeffient on the left-hand side ##\hbar##, not ##\frac{\hbar}{2}## or ##i\frac{\hbar}{3}## or something like these
Besides, in quantum mechanics, the momentum operator is defined to be

$$
p \rightarrow -i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}
$$

Again, why is the coefficient ##-i\hbar##, not ##-i\frac{\hbar}{2}## or ##-i\frac{\hbar}{3}## or something like these?

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How did you get the idea of fraction as alternative ? Commutation relation of x and p would be helpful.
 
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You might start with the early chapters of Ballentine.
 
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If you stick in different constants, you would get different answers which would not agree with experiment.

The SE was inspired by classical equations. Here is a brief description of what Schrödinger did from Borowitz (1967).

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anuttarasammyak said:
How did you get the idea of fraction as alternative ? Commutation relation of x and p would be helpful.
I got the idea of fraction because I believe electrons have substructure, and each component of the electron must have a spin smaller than $\frac{\hbar}{2}$, say, $\frac{\hbar}{4}$ or $\frac{\hbar}{6}$. But this would violate our convention that fermions have spin $\frac{\hbar}{2}$. As I try to trace out the origin of the fermion spin $\frac{\hbar}{2}$, I found that it has to do with the constant coefficients in the Schrödinger equation (and/or the Dirac equation) and the momentum operator (the commutation relation of x and p can be traced to the definition of the p operator). So I am thinking that the Schrödinger equation (and/or the Dirac equation) and the momentum operator might be modified in order to describe the spin of the components of the electron. Am I on the right track?
 
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Shen712 said:
Am I on the right track?
In OP you did not state what the particle is but you are wondering about electrons in #5. Why don't you forget about spins now? Spin appears later in advanced treatment and it does not harm the first lessons.

Have you followed my suggesion?
\frac{\partial }{\partial x}xf - x\frac{\partial }{\partial x}f = f
for any f so
\frac{\partial }{\partial x}x - x\frac{\partial }{\partial x} = 1
as an operator so
-i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x}x - x(- i\hbar) \frac{\partial }{\partial x} = -i\hbar
px - xp = -i\hbar
which meets commutation relation which is one of QM principles. Ref. (20.74) in https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/III_20.html "If Planck’s constant were zero, the classical and quantum results would be the same, and there would be no quantum mechanics to learn!"
 
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Am I on the right track?

No, and if you don't know where does the spin come from (eg. you don't know what is the double cover of ##SO(3)##) then surely you are not prepared to do any reasearch on a structure of electron. Besides, PF rules forbid talking about personal theories.
 
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The forum rules do not allow discussion of unpublished personal theories, so this thread has been closed.
 
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