Cogito ergo sum, however, I dont know you exist, prove to me you exist

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical implications of Descartes' statement "Cogito ergo sum" (I think, therefore I am) and the concept of existence, particularly in relation to metaphysical skepticism and solipsism. Participants explore the nature of self-awareness, the existence of others, and the implications of these ideas on understanding reality.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while they can be certain of their own existence, they cannot be certain of the existence of others, leading to metaphysical skepticism.
  • Others challenge the connection between self-awareness and the existence of the external world, arguing that solipsism does not necessarily require physical entities.
  • One participant suggests that the notion of a powerful agent producing experiences raises questions about the limitations of consciousness and awareness.
  • Another participant emphasizes that Descartes' goal was to find a first principle of certainty, which he believed was the existence of the thinking self, rather than advocating for solipsism.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of existence and awareness, with one participant proposing that awareness transcends individual existence and connects all beings.
  • Some participants express that tautological statements about existence do not provide meaningful insights into the nature of being.
  • There are reflections on the possibility of doubting the existence of others and the external world, with some suggesting that such skepticism requires a strong philosophical stance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the implications of Descartes' philosophy or the validity of solipsism. Disagreements arise regarding the nature of existence, the relationship between thought and being, and the interpretation of self-awareness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include differing interpretations of metaphysical concepts, the reliance on personal definitions of existence, and the unresolved nature of the arguments presented. The discussion does not reach a definitive conclusion on the validity of solipsism or the certainty of external existence.

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Some things that don't have a beginning might have had a beginning but have a found a way to transend it.
 
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I remember a speculation by a neuroscientist. Can’t remember his/her name, but it should brighten your day.

It says that I am just a narrative made from different regions of the brain vying for attention. That would explain, for example, why dreams are unrealistic - in REM sleep only a few areas are active at anyone time. I can fly when none of the regions that know it’s impossible are active during the dream.

If this is true then:
- I am an illusion, assisted by my brain’s shared long-term memory of what ‘I’ did last week, other people recognizing me, the photo on my driving license, etc.
- “I think therefore I am” can only be true for, at most, the duration of a single train of thought – I’m more like a transient interference pattern than the entity I’d like to be.
- Having a soul is physically impossible.

Comforting or what?

'I' quite like it, if only because it cuts through a whole load of metaphysics.
 

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