Coil vs Solenoid: Understanding the Difference and Equations for Magnetic Fields

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The discussion revolves around understanding the differences between a coil and a solenoid, particularly in the context of their magnetic fields and the equations that describe them. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the equations provided in their textbook, which highlight the dependence of the magnetic field on different dimensions for coils and solenoids.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definitions of coils and solenoids, discussing their physical characteristics and the implications for magnetic field calculations. Questions arise regarding the significance of radius and length in the respective equations for magnetic fields.

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Participants have provided insights into the nature of coils and solenoids, including the effects of their physical dimensions on the magnetic field. Some have referenced relevant laws, such as Biot-Savart and Ampere's Law, to support their explanations. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their applicability are being explored without reaching a consensus.

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There is an emphasis on the conditions under which the equations for the magnetic fields are valid, with participants noting the assumptions related to the length of coils and solenoids. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on these assumptions as they relate to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement


I'm having problems figuring out the difference between a coil and a solenoid. My book provides two equations for magnetic field, and they are similar, but one depends on the radius (coil) while the other depends on the length (solenoid).

Homework Equations


Bcoil = μNI/2a (field at the center of N circular loops)
Bsolenoid = μNI/L (field in a solenoid)

The Attempt at a Solution


As you can see, the Bcoil depends on the a (radius) while the solenoid depends on L (length).
 
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A coil is just a current loop, which produces a B-field around it due to moving charge. Each loop will contribute equally to the flux so the B-field is proportional to the number of loops. The radius dependence can be intuitively understood if you imagine the radius going to infinity, then at the centre of the loop it is equivalent to there being no current loop at all, because it is so far away.

The field inside a solenoid is enhanced due to the lump of metal which the coil is wrapped around. There is a reason for this but I won't confuse the issue. This core, iron for example, amplifies the B-field produced by the coils wrapped around it. The field outside a solenoid is weak and so usually can be approximated as zero. Since the current loops produce magnetic flux lines, the more of them the stronger the B-field, the number of magnetic flux lines in a region depends on the concentration of coils in that region (same principle as the normal current loop).
This concentration is N/L. The B-field inside the solenoid is approximately constant.

For a more description you may want to look at Amperes Law and Biot-Savart Law as applied to your examples.
 
A "coil" as you understand it has essentially zero length. It can be a single-turn coil or many turns but then they have to be wound closely together so that the coil again has essentially zero length.
By contrast, a solenoid by definition has a long length.

In the case of the coil you get the B field by the Biot-Savart law. For solenoids you use Ampere's law.
 
rude man said:
A "coil" as you understand it has essentially zero length. It can be a single-turn coil or many turns but then they have to be wound closely together so that the coil again has essentially zero length.
By contrast, a solenoid by definition has a long length.

In the case of the coil you get the B field by the Biot-Savart law. For solenoids you use Ampere's law.

Like he said , the formula of the Bcoil is only valid when the coil has zero length or negligible.
and the formula for Bsolenoid is valid when it is of infinite length and infinite turns or say very large, and it would not be riht to say that it depends on the length, it depends on the number of turns per unit length.
So, a coil and a solenoid are essentially two diffeerent things and therefore have different formulae for their magnetic fields.
 

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