College is reserved for intellectuals?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of whether college is reserved for individuals with higher intelligence, specifically those with IQs between 120-140, and if those with average intelligence (around IQ 100) can succeed in a college environment. Participants explore the implications of IQ on educational success, the nature of college education, and alternative pathways to career success.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that college is not exclusively for intellectuals, stating that many individuals with average intelligence attend and succeed in college.
  • Others challenge the reliability of IQ tests, suggesting that they do not accurately measure a person's potential for success in college or life.
  • A few participants emphasize that qualities such as discipline, patience, and persistence are more critical for success in science, math, or engineering than IQ alone.
  • One participant mentions that education is largely about the effort put in rather than innate intelligence, suggesting that hard work can lead to success regardless of IQ.
  • There are references to notable individuals with varying IQ scores, but some participants question the relevance of these examples to the original question about average intelligence.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial burden of college education and the value of vocational training as an alternative to traditional college degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the significance of IQ in determining college success. While some believe that IQ is a poor predictor of academic ability, others reference it as a factor in educational rigor. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of higher IQ for college success.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying opinions on the validity of IQ as a measure of intelligence and its implications for educational pathways. There is a lack of consensus on the relationship between IQ scores and actual performance in college settings.

  • #31
SootAndGrime said:
The sole reason why 85% of twentysomethings are in college is to party, drink, do drugs, and have sex.
Even if the statistic isn't exaggerated I see nothing wrong with this. Its one of the benefits of going to college.
 
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That study was only considering bachelors degrees. The people who did it plan to follow it up with graduate and professional degrees. At the bachelors level, engineering is the top-paying field. Overall, it's almost certainly medicine, mostly surgical professions.
 
  • #33
eri said:
That study was only considering bachelors degrees. The people who did it plan to follow it up with graduate and professional degrees. At the bachelors level, engineering is the top-paying field. Overall, it's almost certainly medicine, mostly surgical professions.

Most surgeons make upwards of $250,000 per year. Some heart surgeons make $800,000 per year.
 

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